What is with the Refs?

BWRhasnoAC

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Did he? I don't recall him even touching the TT guy while falling. The next time he touched him was when the guy landed on top of him.

It should have been a no-call IMO.
Guy needs to be able to safely land. Just like if he was shooting a three and only got hit after the shot. I think that call could have been ignored but understand why it wasn't.
 

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Each team shot 24 free throws - I thought the refs were fine.

Very easy to criticize with the benefit of slow mo and replays.
Iowa State’s offensive free throw rate is 35th nationally while Texas Tech is at 292. On the defensive side ISU fouls at the 22 lowest rate with Tech being at 154.

In other words equal fouls being shot by both teams in this game does not indicate fine work by the refs.
 

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Not here to complain about the Refs. But not sure what to make of this: 19 fouls each on ISU and TT. in KU v Cincy game, only 6 fouls called on each team. At Cincy.
 
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There are a lot of things that I don’t like about the way the game is officiated right now, but some of them just need to be acknowledged and adjusted for. The clutching and shoving away from the ball; the contact allowed when a player is not in the act of shooting vs. when they are; ignoring non-flagrant moving screens; only blowing the whistle if the player misses the shot in the paint (this made it’s way down from the NBA).

The one thing that happens way too often that should absolutely be fixed is the anticipatory whistle/I didn’t see it but something must have happened foul. It seems like there are at least 2 of these each game, and it is infuriating.
 
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Either Lipsey was fouled and that is why he fell down or he fouled the player who tripped and fell on him because lying on the floor is not a legal guarding position. Kind of like how Flopper Marcus Smart tried to flop his way into a foul on Kane that one time and as soon as he went down Kane drove into him since lying on the floor is not a legal guarding position.
If you rewatch it you will see Lipsey slipped on a wet spot and fell down.
 
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Oh i actually think JJeff never had control of the ball at all, no travel there, no issue.

The BIG thing on that was the extra half second they put on the clock. Otherwise that shot doesnt count. Of couse, it was the absolute right thing to do and they got it 100% right. But how often does that NOT get done correctly?
On Jefferson's play to tie the game, I agree that he might have not really had full control right away. But also, at least one or two of those steps were a result of contact from the defender. It wasn't a ton, but it would have been pretty frustrating if they had called a travel because the defender bumped into him trying to poke the ball away.

For the clock, what's funny to me is that the only reason that time was added was because Tech called a timeout to set their defense up. I think that was a poor decision anyway because it allowed Iowa State to draw something up, but it became doubly stupid when the referees went to add time. Then in OT, for the same situation, Iowa State didn't call a timeout following Jefferson's free throws, so the refs didn't look back at the clock and Tech couldn't draw anything up (though they got a good look anyway).
 

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There are a lot of things that I don’t like about the way the game is officiated right now, but some of them just need to be acknowledged and adjusted for. The clutching and shoving away from the ball; the contact allowed when a player is not in the act of shooting vs. when they are; ignoring non-flagrant moving screens; only blowing the whistle if the player misses the shot in the paint (this made it’s way down from the NBA).

The one thing that happens way too often that should absolutely be fixed is the anticipatory whistle/I didn’t see it but something must have happened foul. It seems like there are at least 2 of these each game, and it is infuriating.
The things I've noticed this year that aren't getting called much (on anyone, not just on ISU's opponents) are:

* Moving screens
* Traveling (I know this hasn't been called by the book for decades, I'm referring to really obvious/blatant cases, e.g. check out the inbounds play near the end of UNC vs. NC State yesterday)
* Displacement on offensive rebounds ("over-the-back" as we like to call it although that's not the rule, strictly speaking)
* Ball-handler displacing the defender with their off-hand
* Edit to add: lane violations
 
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I think football refs are bad. Basketball refs are even worse. However basketball refs have to not call certain things or the game would be really bad. I just question some of the things they decide to call. The last few years when playing Kansas it was almost impossible to guard them in the post without the refs blowing the whistle
 

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The things I've noticed this year that aren't getting called much (on anyone, not just on ISU's opponents) are:

* Moving screens
* Traveling (I know this hasn't been called by the book for decades, I'm referring to really obvious/blatant cases, e.g. check out the inbounds play near the end of UNC vs. NC State yesterday)
* Displacement on offensive rebounds ("over-the-back" as we like to call it although that's not the rule, strictly speaking)
* Ball-handler displacing the defender with their off-hand
* Edit to add: lane violations

And my dad has been complaining about all of these for the last 30 years (at least). The ball handler displacing the defender seems to be more recent, but also seems to be a fair counter to the amount of contact the defender is allowed to make.

The one I forgot is the flop rule. It’s still a rule, but apparently they’ve just decided to pretend it isn’t for the last 2 years. This has to be in response to the change in the block-charge dynamic, but, again, why are the unwritten/unenforced rules? Also, where is the cloud that I was yelling at?
 

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I just rewatched the game again. And, quite honestly, I don't think the reffing was inconsistent or decidedly biased. Or put another way, we've had a lot of other games with more credence for complaining.
 
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On Jefferson's play to tie the game, I agree that he might have not really had full control right away. But also, at least one or two of those steps were a result of contact from the defender. It wasn't a ton, but it would have been pretty frustrating if they had called a travel because the defender bumped into him trying to poke the ball away.

For the clock, what's funny to me is that the only reason that time was added was because Tech called a timeout to set their defense up. I think that was a poor decision anyway because it allowed Iowa State to draw something up, but it became doubly stupid when the referees went to add time. Then in OT, for the same situation, Iowa State didn't call a timeout following Jefferson's free throws, so the refs didn't look back at the clock and Tech couldn't draw anything up (though they got a good look anyway).
I thought we were out of time outs at end of OT but agree with point about Tech’s decision to call one at end of regulation.

Rewatching the end of the game again last night, I had forgotten Tech also called one with 20 seconds left right before Gilbert wuickly went length of court to cut it to 1 again.

So they potentially made this error twice.
 

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I am not complaining on this being called or not called. These are human beings it happens.

I just want to know, why there is very little consistency. Consistency between games or even in game. Watch the TT game, I see calls that are against ISU, but not TT for doing the same things. It is somewhat frustrating as a fan when things are so unbalanced.

It has happened in other games to the favor of ISU.

The only thing I ask, is please be consistent. Again, human beings that will miss things. Just please... be consistent with the calls.
The sad truth is, basketball is entertainment and people don’t want to go to home games to watch the home team lose so there is always favorably. Most of it is unconscious as I am sure they are affected by the fan element. Just my opinion.
 
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I think football refs are bad. Basketball refs are even worse. However basketball refs have to not call certain things or the game would be really bad. I just question some of the things they decide to call. The last few years when playing Kansas it was almost impossible to guard them in the post without the refs blowing the whistle
That's cause Dickinson is the greatest player in the history of the world. Then add in Self being possibly the GOAT at riding the refs.
 

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I thought we were out of time outs at end of OT but agree with point about Tech’s decision to call one at end of regulation.

Rewatching the end of the game again last night, I had forgotten Tech also called one with 20 seconds left right before Gilbert wuickly went length of court to cut it to 1 again.

So they potentially made this error twice.

We had a TO left.
 
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The things I've noticed this year that aren't getting called much (on anyone, not just on ISU's opponents) are:

* Moving screens
* Traveling (I know this hasn't been called by the book for decades, I'm referring to really obvious/blatant cases, e.g. check out the inbounds play near the end of UNC vs. NC State yesterday)
* Displacement on offensive rebounds ("over-the-back" as we like to call it although that's not the rule, strictly speaking)
* Ball-handler displacing the defender with their off-hand
* Edit to add: lane violations

You can’t travel on when you are inbounding. Just a fun fact.
 

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What are you watching? "The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until the ball is released." He repeatedly shuffles both feet, that's in violation of that rule.
 

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What are you watching? "The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until the ball is released." He repeatedly shuffles both feet, that's in violation of that rule.

He has 3 feet of width to work with. I understand it was probably too much, but it wasn’t as egregious as they want you to believe. Also, it’s still not a travel
 

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