I think it was Bruce's 1976 team that was 8-3 with the three losses to top three teams in the country and they didn't even get a bowl bid. I think they finished the season ranked 18 or 19.
What is the peak for ISU's football program
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I think it was Bruce's 1976 team that was 8-3 with the three losses to top three teams in the country and they didn't even get a bowl bid. I think they finished the season ranked 18 or 19.
Boomer, I always enjoy your posts on this site. However, I think you are wrong about round robin and the current state of the Big XII. This isn't the 1990's or early 2000's anymore. There is parity in the current version of the Big XII. Excluding Kansas, the distance between the top of the conference and the bottom is as narrow as it has ever been. I recognize ISUs lack of tradition and success. Much of it has been self inflicted by lack of support and poor leadership from University Presidents. However, in the past 8-10 years ISU has been mainly limited by poor coaching (especially in in-game and player development aspects). Prior to this season, K State had the highest winning percentage for the previous three years. They have been very competitive with OU and TX. Given competent leadership, our ceiling is as high as theirs.
Makes perfect sense, the schedule is tough because our team is bad. If the team was not as bad our schedule would be more manageable.
IMO, there really is no ceiling. Reality is that it will be much more difficult to raise the level of FB to an ISU basketball level. Pretty much apples and oranges comparison because of the player numbers involved, lack of a winning tradition and other factors.
I would like to see ample time given to this staff to have a chance to build a winner. They will need the time if our success is to be built on developing players, recruiting and player retention. Think this will take a long haul approach.
The example of K-State is often brought up. The reservation I have for that model is the fact that Coach Snyder had experience with his coaching at Iowa when they improved their program, he had a model in place that had worked. We'll have to see what this staff can do. Based on the early returns re work ethic and enthusiasm thinks look positive.
I would like to see ample time given to this staff to have a chance to build a winner. They will need the time if our success is to be built on developing players, recruiting and player retention. Think this will take a long haul approach.
The example of K-State is often brought up. The reservation I have for that model is the fact that Coach Snyder had experience with his coaching at Iowa when they improved their program, he had a model in place that had worked. We'll have to see what this staff can do. Based on the early returns re work ethic and enthusiasm thinks look positive.
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When I think of a Cyclone fan, this is the type of post that comes to mind.
Well done.
Oooooooooooooo Internet tough **** talker. Get out. Go talk **** about Matt Thomas's family on your board with the rest of your 8th grade educated circle jerk buddies.
The defeatist attitude around here is nauseating. "Our ceiling was when we beat OSU". "The best we can hope for is 7 wins."
And you as a tavern hok delta bravo, still so butthurt about your football team being outright exposed the last two games to the point you're spending all your time on this site instead of any number of garbage hok sites, would completely miss the point of my post. I would expect nothing less from someone with an EIU education - or, more likely, you being a typical tavern hok - no education whatsoever.
Ask this question to K-State fans pre-Snyder and I bet you'd get a completely different answer than you'd get now. I'm my opinion, it's a dumb question to ask.
This year ISU played 5 teams that at one time were ranked inside the top 5 in the country. That is insanely difficult and leads to soul crushing losses. I did a quick check and Ferentz has played around 15 top 5 teams in his entire tenure at Iowa. Iowa state must get to a point where they can consistently beat 4 teams in the big 12 and start there. Kansas state has proven that without Snyder they will slide back to reality. So the realistic 4 big 12 wins are KU Kstate tech and West Virginia. I have chugged a 55 gallon drum of kool aid on the Campbll hire. He has proven that he can build a program. Iowa state has some good players that can win and they just need new leadership and a belief they can be successful. I am excited for the future.
Pretty sure I understood the point of your post.
If ISU got every single break every year they would have a chance of winning 8 or so games.
Speaking of exposed, did you watch any basketball yesterday?
And they would have a very good chance of winning three. What has Iowa State ever shown to prove they could consistently beat even the dregs of the B1G like Purdue, Maryland, Indiana, etc.
The peak for ISU football.... that's easy IMO... Kansas State. We can be about as successful as KSU has been under Snyder IMO. That should be the goal of this program.
We are never going to be Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Oregon, etc. But we can be KSU. Win between 5-8 games a year on average with maybe an occasional 9 win season or 4 win season sprinkled in there somewhere, but usually going to mid level bowl games year in and year out.
But we can't get there trying to be the next Baylor IMO. We will likely never have the quality of athletes needed to outrun and outspread the other Big 12 "south" teams. We will have to follow the KSU model. It may not be pretty, but it's effective.
We are never going to be Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Oregon, etc. But we can be KSU. Win between 5-8 games a year on average with maybe an occasional 9 win season or 4 win season sprinkled in there somewhere, but usually going to mid level bowl games year in and year out.
But we can't get there trying to be the next Baylor IMO. We will likely never have the quality of athletes needed to outrun and outspread the other Big 12 "south" teams. We will have to follow the KSU model. It may not be pretty, but it's effective.
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The hire of Coach Campbell. I believe there will be gradual improvement in the first two years. I'm predicting 4-5 wins year one and 6-7, year two.
The hire of Coach Campbell. I believe there will be gradual improvement in the first two years. I'm predicting 4-5 wins year one and 6-7, year two.
