I don't disagree and I'd prefer divisional play but Majors's '71 & '72 teams and Bruce's '77 & '78 teams were all more "legit" than any team that have come after. The real problem for ISU is not having four OOC games, imo.
What is the peak for ISU's football program
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I don't disagree and I'd prefer divisional play but Majors's '71 & '72 teams and Bruce's '77 & '78 teams were all more "legit" than any team that have come after. The real problem for ISU is not having four OOC games, imo.
Look, I know it wasn't super tough but just answer me this.
Given Iowa's schedule what record do you think ISU would have had? Obviously you would have played us instead of yourselves so that's one loss so far.
I've been pretty fair as a Hawk on this board but calling it a pansy schedule is a bit ridiculous. You guys had easier schedules back in the North and managed to go 4-4 without a single ranked team in the North and missing OU and Texas if I recall.
Hint: It isn't the conference that has prevented you from having never finished in the AP top 20. We have had over 15 top 20 seasons. But, I'm sure it's because of our pansy schedules. My gosh.
Agreed. We're working on an Iowa-esque losing streak to KSU which is totally unacceptable.
...and no one here asked your opinion. This isn't ISR. You're free to stop posting any time.
You are looking at this wrong. What would Iowa's W-L been if they played in the Big XII? I am sure they would not have went undefeated in the regular season.
No one specifically asked you a question either. The OP's question was posed to the members of this forum. I am a member of this forum. Therefore, it was addressed to me as well as many others. I have followed all rules of this board, am not a troll or flamer, therefore I have been fair as I said.
If you don't want me to answer questions, have me banned. I have had many discussions with opposing fanbases(including some posters here) that are civil and prompt really good discussion. So, I will continue posting unless not allowed by Chris or an admin. Feel free to email them if you wish.
Also, no idea what ISR is.
IMO, Iowa goes 10-2 with ISU schedule this year. Lose to OU and Baylor, beat everyone else. They would give OU and Baylor better games than ISU fans think they would.
Yes, they did. The board is called Cyclone Fanatic, I am one, and the OP posits a question about ISU football. ISR is In State Rivals. If you intend to talk about Iowa, go there. "I've been pretty fair as a Hawk on this board..." is a comment for ISR.
I dont see why the football program can't get to the level of the basketball program one day (good but not elite). It's just as hard recruiting top basketball prospects from the inner cities to come to Ames as it is getting top football recruits from the south/california/florida, but the right coaches have been able to bring that talent in basketball.
In the past, Hilton has been a much, much better recruiting tool than our football facilities. That is changing now with our increased revenue, but it will still take time.
First, the absolute ceiling of any team is the most number of wins we can potentially win in a season - in our case, our absolute ceiling is 14-0.
What most people are talking about with their 5-7 wins and low-mid tier bowl games are realistic ceilings. Personally, I think our ceiling on any given year is 8-10 wins. People will probably think that's high, but let's just look at the last decade (obviously ignoring the Chizik years and the last 3 years).
2005: We finished that regular season 7-4, but realistically we should have finished that regular season 10-1 or even 11-0. 3 of those 4 losses were in OT, the 4th was to a bad Baylor team, ALL were due to the fact McCarney was too afraid to crush the throat of an opponent he had lying prone on the ground staring up at him because we might make a mistake going for the kill that would cost us the game.
2006: We finished the season 4-8. Nearly every preseason mag that year expected us to finish with at least 8 wins that season and compete with Nebraska for the North title. That obviously didn't happen, and 2006 in conjunction with 2005 (and perhaps the seasons before that) is what got McCarney fired.
2009: In Rhoads' first year we finished 7-6, including a bowl win. However, we were 1 blocked XP with 30 seconds left in the game from taking K-State into OT. Who knows - maybe we beat K-State in OT, maybe we don't. Maybe by beating K-State we end up in a different bowl against a team we don't match up as well against and lose, or we play another team like Minnesota and we win. Bottom line is 8 wins was possible in 2009.
2010: We finished 5-7. Had both the K-State game (we lost that game in the 4th quarter) and Nebraska game (we lost that game in OT on a failed fake XP conversion where the wind batted down the holder's pass) been wins, we finish at 7-5 and are in a bowl game. Just like the previous year, maybe we win the bowl game, maybe we don't - but once again, 8 wins was possible in 2010.
2011: We finished 6-7. Once again, K-State - we lost the game in the 4th quarter. We win that game, perhaps we are in a different bowl game against a team we match up better against than Rutgers, and maybe we win the bowl game. Once again, 8 wins was possible in 2011.
2012: We finished 6-7. Once again, K-State. Also, we lost to WVU in the 4th quarter. 8 wins was possible in the regular season alone. Perhaps a different bowl matchup besides a rematch against Tulsa gets us a bowl win. Bottom line, 9 wins was possible in 2012.
2013: We finished 3-9. UNI, Iowa, Texas, Texas Tech, and TCU were all games we could/should have won. Flip the ****** on all 5 of those games and we finish our regular season 8-4.
I already know cynics are going to say "woulda coulda shoulda" with this post and start talking about how many other games we could have lost those seasons. But you completely miss the point, which is mistakes, mental errors, bad coaching decisions, lack of killer instinct, and sometimes straight up bad luck led to TONS of missed opportunities for the Cyclones over the last decade. My point is over the last decade we've been better than the 5-7 win "ceiling" that we as fans have randomly assigned to our team when we really should be expecting 8-10 wins, even in an extremely difficult Big 12 conference, if we would just play mistake-free football most of the time.
What most people are talking about with their 5-7 wins and low-mid tier bowl games are realistic ceilings. Personally, I think our ceiling on any given year is 8-10 wins. People will probably think that's high, but let's just look at the last decade (obviously ignoring the Chizik years and the last 3 years).
2005: We finished that regular season 7-4, but realistically we should have finished that regular season 10-1 or even 11-0. 3 of those 4 losses were in OT, the 4th was to a bad Baylor team, ALL were due to the fact McCarney was too afraid to crush the throat of an opponent he had lying prone on the ground staring up at him because we might make a mistake going for the kill that would cost us the game.
2006: We finished the season 4-8. Nearly every preseason mag that year expected us to finish with at least 8 wins that season and compete with Nebraska for the North title. That obviously didn't happen, and 2006 in conjunction with 2005 (and perhaps the seasons before that) is what got McCarney fired.
2009: In Rhoads' first year we finished 7-6, including a bowl win. However, we were 1 blocked XP with 30 seconds left in the game from taking K-State into OT. Who knows - maybe we beat K-State in OT, maybe we don't. Maybe by beating K-State we end up in a different bowl against a team we don't match up as well against and lose, or we play another team like Minnesota and we win. Bottom line is 8 wins was possible in 2009.
2010: We finished 5-7. Had both the K-State game (we lost that game in the 4th quarter) and Nebraska game (we lost that game in OT on a failed fake XP conversion where the wind batted down the holder's pass) been wins, we finish at 7-5 and are in a bowl game. Just like the previous year, maybe we win the bowl game, maybe we don't - but once again, 8 wins was possible in 2010.
2011: We finished 6-7. Once again, K-State - we lost the game in the 4th quarter. We win that game, perhaps we are in a different bowl game against a team we match up better against than Rutgers, and maybe we win the bowl game. Once again, 8 wins was possible in 2011.
2012: We finished 6-7. Once again, K-State. Also, we lost to WVU in the 4th quarter. 8 wins was possible in the regular season alone. Perhaps a different bowl matchup besides a rematch against Tulsa gets us a bowl win. Bottom line, 9 wins was possible in 2012.
2013: We finished 3-9. UNI, Iowa, Texas, Texas Tech, and TCU were all games we could/should have won. Flip the ****** on all 5 of those games and we finish our regular season 8-4.
I already know cynics are going to say "woulda coulda shoulda" with this post and start talking about how many other games we could have lost those seasons. But you completely miss the point, which is mistakes, mental errors, bad coaching decisions, lack of killer instinct, and sometimes straight up bad luck led to TONS of missed opportunities for the Cyclones over the last decade. My point is over the last decade we've been better than the 5-7 win "ceiling" that we as fans have randomly assigned to our team when we really should be expecting 8-10 wins, even in an extremely difficult Big 12 conference, if we would just play mistake-free football most of the time.
You change your story every time. Your quote "If you intend to talk about Iowa, go there"
I answered a question about Iowa State and their peak. I was not talking about Iowa at that time. I'm guessing you live in a small town and are afraid of outsiders. Am I right?
I will continue posting here. I follow the rules just like everybody else. You can have fans of other teams on your board and they can really add to discussion. We have a few Clone posters on the site I frequent (as well as Wisconsin fans) and have some great discussions. I look forward to those here, but it's apparent it won't be from you. That's too bad.
Again, if you have a problem email Chris or another admin.
Seriously? We've had bad luck but we've also had good luck and needed miracles to get to bowl games in 2009 and 2011. We should not expect 8-10 wins a year until we can start winning 6-7 games a year consistently. Not even Iowa fans expect 10 wins a year, they expect around 8 wins a year. All it takes is 1 coach to turn us around. Iowa and KSU were terrible programs until Fry and Snyder got there and even Wisconsin was struggling until Alvarez got there. We just need to find the right fit.
