Very healthy 38 year old I know had bad case of shingles and it seemed like a nightmare, not just for "old" people.
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Very healthy 38 year old I know had bad case of shingles and it seemed like a nightmare, not just for "old" people.
The issue isn't simply blood clots, it's the type of clots and the demographic being effected. Blood clots aren't a 'one size fits all'. The statistics in this article lump everyone together. Covid19 and the vaccine side effects are different depending on age, sex etc... Vaccine risk for a 20 year old female is not the same as an 80 year old male.
Risk of Clots Higher With Covid Than After Vaccine, Study Says
The risk of blood clots among those who’ve been diagnosed with Covid-19 is higher than among those who’ve received vaccines against the disease, according to a new study from the University of Oxford.www.bloomberg.com
That's not to say the vaccine isn't still better than the alternative, but that's what they are trying to figure out. It's possible they release it again, but don't allow females under 60 to get it, or something along those lines.
Yep ... that's why I'm more than willing to get vaccinated. Even a case of influenza increases the risk of cancer by by quite a bit. (Due to serious inflamation of various organs.) My second shingles vaccination has been delayed to like June now.
I am 60 and keep putting the shingles shot off. My three brothers and sister who have gotten it all sick as dogs for several days. None of them reacted to Pfizer or Moderna though and they are all older than me so have gotten both doses.
Only time I've ever seen my dad miss work was when he was in his 40s and got shingles. He missed 3+ days.
The study was specifically targeted at cerebral venous thrombosis.
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My sister had shingles twice before getting shot. She still reacted worse to the vaccine for it than my brothers. The first time she had shingles was the worst though.
My mom (and dad) both got shingles vaccines and didn't have any problem. My mom had a helluva time with Moderna #1, however. #2 yet to be determined.
Whatever that's worth!
My mom (and dad) both got shingles vaccines and didn't have any problem. My mom had a helluva time with Moderna #1, however. #2 yet to be determined.
Whatever that's worth!
Maybe that makes me a little braver. I keep thinking if the stress of this year hasn’t given me shingles, maybe I am good. One plus with going during Covid for a shot though is no dumb sitting in a waiting room with a bunch of sick people at the doctor’s office cause they have you wait in the car now. I always figured waiting around for an hour with a bunch of coughing people was their way of getting more business.
I had a bout with shingles a few years ago at 25 that coincided with a stressful time at work.
I’d take a few days of feeling like **** after the shot than go through that again
Completely agree on the doctor's office. I hated having a check-up during cold and flu season.
Got it, thanks.
It's not clear from the article if they were able to differentiate between the different vaccines. The study looks like it did not include the J&J one. I guess I was trying to provide clarity as to why the J&J specifically would be suspended. This study seems to only indicate that vaccines taken as a whole are safer than covid when it comes to this specific clotting risk. Not necessarily the J&J or AstraZeneca. Unless I'm missing something.
"Though the analyses for the three vaccines are based on different data sets, making comparisons difficult, the study suggests that the risk of a clot among those with the disease is about eight to 10 times higher than after vaccination."
Also, the comparison made here seems to be the entire population averaged together. Not differentiated by age/sex. The issue with the J&J seems to be in 18-50 year old females. Is the same clotting risk higher from covid than the vaccine for that specific group? Maybe, but this article doesn't say that, unless I'm missing something.
"The relative benefits of the AstraZeneca shot, compared with the risk of clots, decrease when doses are given to younger adults, according to an analysis by the U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency."
This line seems significant as well. It didn't yet cover issues that showed up after the 2nd dose. It's also possible cases could pop up further out than 2 weeks from covid diagnosis.
"The authors of the Oxford study counted the number of cerebral venous thrombosis cases diagnosed in the two weeks after Covid diagnosis and after the first dose of a vaccine. "
“All the evidence we have is that risks of Covid are so much greater than whatever the risks of the vaccines might be,” Paul Harrison
That might be true, but this study didn't show that for the AstraZeneca & J&J vaccines. It looks like it is true for the Pfizer and Moderna versions. It also shouldn't be a "one-size fits all" statement when the article itself says that "The relative benefits of the AstraZeneca shot, compared with the risk of clots, decrease when doses are given to younger adults".
Risk of rare blood clotting higher for COVID-19 than for vaccines | University of Oxford
COVID-19 leads to a several-times higher risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) blood clots than current COVID-19 vaccines.
The breakdown comparison for reported cases of CVT in COVID-19 patients in comparison to CVT cases in those who received a COVID-19 vaccine is:
- In this study of over 500,000 COVID-19 patients, CVT occurred in 39 in a million patients.
- In over 480,000 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna), CVT occurred in 4 in a million.
- CVT has been reported to occur in about 5 in a million people after first dose of the AZ-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine.
- Compared to the mRNA vaccines, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 10 times greater.
- Compared to the AZ-Oxford vaccine, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 8 times greater.
Risk of rare blood clotting higher for COVID-19 than for vaccines | University of Oxford
COVID-19 leads to a several-times higher risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) blood clots than current COVID-19 vaccines.www.ox.ac.uk
The breakdown comparison for reported cases of CVT in COVID-19 patients in comparison to CVT cases in those who received a COVID-19 vaccine is:
‘We’ve reached two important conclusions. Firstly, COVID-19 markedly increases the risk of CVT, adding to the list of blood clotting problems this infection causes. Secondly, the COVID-19 risk is higher than we see with the current vaccines, even for those under 30; something that should be taken into account when considering the balances between risks and benefits for vaccination.’
- In this study of over 500,000 COVID-19 patients, CVT occurred in 39 in a million patients.
- In over 480,000 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna), CVT occurred in 4 in a million.
- CVT has been reported to occur in about 5 in a million people after first dose of the AZ-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine.
- Compared to the mRNA vaccines, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 10 times greater.
- Compared to the AZ-Oxford vaccine, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 8 times greater.
Hmmm, wonder if they have the data on if the patients had C19 (asymptomatic or not) before the vaccine? Just speculating maybe that is a correlation.
As some have previsouly speculated:
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About 20 hours after my 2nd Pfizer shot right now and feel just fine. Arm is even a little less sore than it was after the 1st shot
About the same after my 2nd Moderna shot. Its not too bad, some chills/body ache and fatigue. I read someone on twitter describe their head as feeling like they are "floating around" and that is better than any description I can make.
24 Hours since my second Moderna. I feel fine. I woke up with a real thumper of a headache, but don't know if that was the shot or me just sleeping in a weird positions (happens often). A few Tylenol and two cups of coffee has lessened the headache. My wife got hers too and can hardly move her arm. Other than she feels just fine.
Just got Pfizer #2. Bring on the chills and body aches at 4am.
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