Updated: Milan Momcilovic commits to ISU

Letterkenny

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Oct 26, 2023
760
1,446
93
Pros can shoot and rules very much favor the offense. NBA is better basketball.
Just based off playing 48 min instead of 42 and the 24 second shot clock instead of 30, NBA teams should score about 50% more than college teams. 70 points in the college game is equivalent to scoring 105 in the pro game.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SolterraCyclone

SolterraCyclone

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2021
1,501
2,191
113
38
The myth exists from games like this though

Dallas scored 47 points in 12 minutes. That’s NBA all star game level. I get what you are saying, but people will have this belief (especially during regular season games) because of games like this
That’s a poor defensive team with a bunch of aging superstars who weren’t particularly good at D in their prime (sans Kawhi).

That is not a championship-caliber (or even a good) team imo. I think the Harden trade was so incredibly stupid by the Clippers.
 

madguy30

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2011
51,442
48,555
113
That’s a poor defensive team with a bunch of aging superstars who weren’t particularly good at D in their prime (sans Kawhi).

That is not a championship-caliber (or even a good) team imo. I think the Harden trade was so incredibly stupid by the ClClippers.

I can't believe a Harden team struggled particularly on defense.

Not.
 

xboxfever

Well-Known Member
Nov 4, 2008
12,667
6,110
113
The myth exists from games like this though

Dallas scored 47 points in 12 minutes. That’s NBA all star game level. I get what you are saying, but people will have this belief (especially during regular season games) because of games like this
They don’t play defense. Last time I tried to watch an NBA game, all the players half assed jogged up and down the court, stood around on offense while the highest paid player went iso ball, but took three pointers or long jumpers. Worst basketball I’ve ever watched. Turned it off after 5 minutes. It was the Nuggets vs another team when Monte Morris was on the Nuggets.
 

madguy30

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2011
51,442
48,555
113
They don’t play defense. Last time I tried to watch an NBA game, all the players half assed jogged up and down the court, stood around on offense while the highest paid player went iso ball, but took three pointers or long jumpers. Worst basketball I’ve ever watched. Turned it off after 5 minutes. It was the Nuggets vs another team when Monte Morris was on the Nuggets.

Do you watch college ball?
 

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
70,271
58,489
113
LA LA Land
Just based off playing 48 min instead of 42 and the 24 second shot clock instead of 30, NBA teams should score about 50% more than college teams. 70 points in the college game is equivalent to scoring 105 in the pro game.

That’s always been the main reason for the myth. The next huge cause for the myth is college basketball players simply suck at shooting compared to pros. The next reason is the 82 game season and an occasional unmotivated team out of playoff contention. Then sometimes it’s just a thing that is a cave topic.
 

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
70,271
58,489
113
LA LA Land
They don’t play defense. Last time I tried to watch an NBA game, all the players half assed jogged up and down the court, stood around on offense while the highest paid player went iso ball, but took three pointers or long jumpers. Worst basketball I’ve ever watched. Turned it off after 5 minutes. It was the Nuggets vs another team when Monte Morris was on the Nuggets.

There is no way you have ever actually watched Nicola Jokic and the Nuggets, definitely not in their long playoff runs. These current Nuggets and the Duncan era spurs play the greatest team basketball I’ve seen in 40 years of watching at any level.

Their team captain may very well be the greatest passer in basketball history and you called them a bunch of ball hogs.
 

SolterraCyclone

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2021
1,501
2,191
113
38
There is no way you have ever actually watched Nicola Jokic and the Nuggets, definitely not in their long playoff runs. These current Nuggets and the Duncan era spurs play the greatest team basketball I’ve seen in 40 years of watching at any level.

Their team captain may very well be the greatest passer in basketball history and you called them a bunch of ball hogs.
I was about to say the same thing! No way you watched the Nuggets and came away thinking, yeah ISU vs WVU rock fights are a better brand of basketball than that
 
  • Like
Reactions: legi and HFCS

madguy30

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2011
51,442
48,555
113
That’s always been the main reason for the myth. The next huge cause for the myth is college basketball players simply suck at shooting compared to pros. The next reason is the 82 game season and an occasional unmotivated team out of playoff contention. Then sometimes it’s just a thing that is a cave topic.

Also the spacing.

And college players might actually be worse at defending than shooting.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: HFCS

madguy30

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2011
51,442
48,555
113
I was about to say the same thing! No way you watched the Nuggets and came away thinking, yeah ISU vs WVU rock fights are a better brand of basketball than that

College ball in general is just kind of a scrum and the greatest strategy at the end of games is to foul 18 times in 35 seconds.
 

StLouisClone

Well-Known Member
Apr 16, 2006
7,507
371
113
St. Louis
Moms' made 3 pointers have hardly touched the rim. We've already got a pretty good sample size through 2 games. I think that bodes well for him if he stays healthy!
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Cyclonepride

ZRF

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2015
4,392
2,117
113
Could be similar path as Tyrese where there are some things that are just off the charts elite but not having the absolute perfect body/athleticism keeps him as 2-3 year college player.

Talking best case that the kid is a beast. I think a lot of these shots would be going in against anybody, he's creating a lot of space and a lot of them are difficult shots rather than standing wide open taking corner 3s.

Tyrese was very obviously ready to run an NBA offense and a world class passer with elite wing span. The very first time I saw him play I wondered how the scouts and recruiting sites could be so obviously wrong to not have him as a top 20 player. He was skinny and his shot looked weird but that wingspan and court vision was INSANE...turned out the weird shot is also among the best handful of shots in the world.

That fade away is Dirk level undefendable. Literally nothing a defender can so about it. His 3 is about as equally unguardable.

If Grady **** is a first round guy Buckets surely is. I think he has a much better shot.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: ChickenNuggetMan

ChickenNuggetMan

Drinks beer with CycloneLarry69
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Apr 24, 2017
1,494
2,600
113
Minneapolis
I agree. People have a pretty narrow definition of athletic IMO. I think when people say athletic most think of explosive athleticism. But, as you say, body control and coordination are just as important. Joker, for example, is an incredible athlete. Not explosive, but skill and coordination are off the charts.
If Niang can make it in the NBA, so can Milan. Milan might not be as good of a passer but he’s a better shooter and more athletic.
 

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
70,271
58,489
113
LA LA Land
That fade away is Dirk level undefendable. Literally nothing a defender can so about it. His 3 is about as equally unguardable.

If Grady **** is a first round guy Buckets surely is. I think he has a much better shot.

I wish you wert wrong because I want him to be at least a 2-3 year player. Gonna get a lot of attention if he keeps making these same shots at high volume in the #1 conference.

I thought he looked like a less than four year player in his hs footage and so far he's what I had hoped for.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: ZRF

ZRF

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2015
4,392
2,117
113
I wish you weren't wrong because I want him to be at least a 2-3 year player. Gonna get a lot of attention if he keeps making these same shots at high volume in the #1 conference.

I thought he looked like a less than four year player in his hs footage and so far he's what I had hoped for.

Yeah. It's often easy to get caught up in hype or assess something for the wrong reason. Grading some post player for demolishing a team with dunks and back ins because they have no one to guard him? That's likely heavily influenced by the quality of the opponent. Now, there is a likelihood that better opponents may be better at denying the ball, but once it's in his hands it wouldn't have mattered who was on him. That stroke is quick (from catch to release), smooth, and with perfect trajectory. You could have had Mutombo guarding that fade away and it would have been Buckets finger wagging in his face. It's simply unguardable and unblockable at any level.

His defense and aptitude is also better than I expected. He also comes across as highly intelligent in his interviews, making me think he will consistently play "smart". It almost feels ridiculous saying this but he will go down as the best pure shooter in school history and one of the best this conference has ever seen.

I've never been this pumped about a freshman's abilities at Iowa State. The "walking bucket" part we heard about from the practices and scrimmages? Spot ******* on.
 

ZRF

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2015
4,392
2,117
113
If Niang can make it in the NBA, so can Milan. Milan might not be as good of a passer but he’s a better shooter and more athletic.

Niang was a great collegiate player, the rare 4 year guy that was solid. But Niang didn't have NBA size (for his position), and insane shot (good yes but not insane), or the athleticism/footwork to be a force in the league. Buckets has and all NBA type shot, quicker feet, more length (perimeter playing), and a better midrange game. He's already a better NBA prospect than Niang ever dreamed of being. And that's not a slight on Niang.

As far as passing I don't ever see Milan "needing" to be a great passer. If he's able to get the ball he's likely able to shoot it (and it's likely going in).
 
  • Agree
Reactions: ChickenNuggetMan

WIB

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Oct 2, 2010
2,056
2,539
113
Ames
Not a question of if but when with Milan. Enjoy it while we have him - can’t remember the last guy we had that has a shooting package like he does.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: BACyclone

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
70,271
58,489
113
LA LA Land
Niang was a great collegiate player, the rare 4 year guy that was solid. But Niang didn't have NBA size (for his position), and insane shot (good yes but not insane), or the athleticism/footwork to be a force in the league. Buckets has and all NBA type shot, quicker feet, more length (perimeter playing), and a better midrange game. He's already a better NBA prospect than Niang ever dreamed of being. And that's not a slight on Niang.

As far as passing I don't ever see Milan "needing" to be a great passer. If he's able to get the ball he's likely able to shoot it (and it's likely going in).

Needs to show he's not a defensive liability. I already think the shots we're seeing work vs Big 12. Defending Big 12 all conference type of players is something we cannot know yet.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: NENick

AllInForISU

Well-Known Member
Nov 24, 2012
3,164
3,242
113
They don’t play defense. Last time I tried to watch an NBA game, all the players half assed jogged up and down the court, stood around on offense while the highest paid player went iso ball, but took three pointers or long jumpers. Worst basketball I’ve ever watched. Turned it off after 5 minutes. It was the Nuggets vs another team when Monte Morris was on the Nuggets.

What a terrible take. The NBA has its issues, but the Nuggets aren’t one of them.

Please tell me, who played iso ball on the Nuggets when you were watching, because they haven’t had someone do that since probably Carmelo was on that team.
 
  • Like
Reactions: legi