Time for new starting lineup????

[BringBackJohnny]

Wiggs you are opening day starter.... Oh you got hurt and are out a few games... Sorry son you'll never start again.....

This will be Steve's first coaching adjustment since removing Wiggs from the starting line up game 2.

 

[jsb]

Wiggs you are opening day starter.... Oh you got hurt and are out a few games... Sorry son you'll never start again.....

This will be Steve's first coaching adjustment since removing Wiggs from the starting line up game 2.

Yes because the only adjustments coaches can make are to the starting lineup.

Also Wigs hasn’t made it s no brainer to start him.

 

[BringBackJohnny]

I think it turned into a no brainer about a month ago when Halli looked like he hit the freshman wall and stopped shooting.

 

[CYdTracked]

I can see maybe putting Wigginton in the starting lineup but who do you bench and will they step up and be the scoring punch off the bench that LW has provided?

I do think there are scenarios where it is time to play 2 bigs for stretches during the game when we are just getting killed in the paint or on the boards. We play too soft sometimes and teams have figured out if they get physical and just take it to the rim on us as much as possible we have a hard time defending it because our help defense has not been good. It doesn't matter how cold our shooting is sometimes when our defense can't get stops either.

 

[isufbcurt]

Instead of Cam and Lindell coming off the bench, start them. Don't see why Cam and Jacobsen can't play at the same time.....

Do you honestly think Cam or MJ can guard an opponents 4?

 

[Halincandenza]

If you were making a starting lineup of the most talented guys.

Wigginton
Babb
Shayok
THT
Lard

This would be the starting lineup as well if Lard wouldn't have gotten in trouble and Wigginton wouldn't have gotten hurt. Now the Lard thing I can understand not starting him when he came back but I still don't understand not starting Wigginton when he comes back from injury over Haliburton.

 

[Halincandenza]

Do you honestly think Cam or MJ can guard an opponents 4?

Depends on the opponent but no they couldn't guard a more athletic 4. But if you are talking about a team that plays two bigs then yeah they could.

 

[isufbcurt]

Depends on the opponent but no they couldn't guard a more athletic 4. But if you are talking about a team that plays two bigs then yeah they could.

I will guarantee that if a team saw that lineup they've go small immediately to exploit it.

who in the Big 12 is regularly playing 2 bigs?

Heck OU has gone to the extreme and is pretty much playing 5 smalls (I don't consider Doolitle a 5)

 

[CYdTracked]

I think it turned into a no brainer about a month ago when Halli looked like he hit the freshman wall and stopped shooting.

I wish he'd pull the trigger more on some of the looks he gets and not hesitate. If he's knocking down some 3's it stretches the defense more. It's not so much that he's struggling with his shooting it's that he's just not taking shots some games. He went 11-30 from the field in 7 Feb. games, 9-25 was from 3 for 36% isn't horrible just not a lot of volume. Would like to see him more aggressive shooting it although if you look at his game log his high on the season for attempts is only 7. For a guy getting 30-35 mins a game we need him to be taking more than just 2-4 shots a game. He's still doing a lot of other good things as he leads the team in steals and 2nd in assists but he has the skill set to contribute more offensively especially the games where everyone else is struggling to knock down shots.

 

[Cyforce]

Do you honestly think Cam or MJ can guard an opponents 4?

I think Conditt could.

 

[Beyerball]

Whoever starts..gut check time for the entire team. Lose at WV and wheels might just come off completely.

 

[Halincandenza]

I will guarantee that if a team saw that lineup they've go small immediately to exploit it.

who in the Big 12 is regularly playing 2 bigs?

Heck OU has gone to the extreme and is pretty much playing 5 smalls (I don't consider Doolitle a 5)

Texas, Kansas, KState, Baylor, West Virginia. Now Baylor plays a little smaller this year then they normally do but Clark going down is part of that. I don't think Jacobson and Lard though are the ideal guys to play together. Also, a team like Texas exploited ISU's small lineup when it would post Osetkowski which led to many open threes. Just sayin. It can be exploited either way depending on the team.

 

[VeloClone]

Maybe not. Maybe we'll just start four players.

jcyclonee - "My team is on the floor."

 

[omar34]

Wigginton practically avoids defending and rebounding.

Promote him!

Defense is all about moving your feet and Hustle, and we've been lacking in both! Conditt hustles and should be rewarded for it!

 

[WastedTalent]

I can see maybe putting Wigginton in the starting lineup but who do you bench and will they step up and be the scoring punch off the bench that LW has provided?

Imo, a scoring punch off the bench is very overrated. How many teams across the country structure their lineup so one of their top scorers comes off the bench?

I would want the first guy off the bench to be someone that has a defined role. Great defender, physical post presence, spot up shooter, mismatch specialist, etc. Then every other starter can adjust their role accordingly.

Past Iowa St teams (used because we're all familiar):

16-17 Donovan Jackson- spot up shooter. Usually switched to a small lineup when he came in

15-16 Deonte Burton- Mismatch. Again, went small ball when he came in.

14-15 BDJ & McKay. Not great examples because they split their time starting and coming off the bench. And neither had a real definable skill that season.

13-14 Thomas and Naz. Spot up shooters.

12-13 & 11-12 McGee. Obvious, spot up shooter

 

[WastedTalent]

Imo, a scoring punch off the bench is very overrated. How many teams across the country structure their lineup so one of their top scorers comes off the bench?

I would want the first guy off the bench to be someone that has a defined role. Great defender, physical post presence, spot up shooter, mismatch specialist, etc. Then every other starter can adjust their role accordingly.

Past Iowa St teams (used because we're all familiar):

16-17 Donovan Jackson- spot up shooter. Usually switched to a small lineup when he came in

15-16 Deonte Burton- Mismatch. Again, went small ball when he came in.

14-15 BDJ & McKay. Not great examples because they split their time starting and coming off the bench. And neither had a real definable skill that season.

13-14 Thomas and Naz. Spot up shooters.

12-13 & 11-12 McGee. Obvious, spot up shooter

To me, when Wigginton and Lard come in at the first dead ball after the first media timeout, it feels like "ok, here's our second starting lineup."

Part of the problem could be we might not have that guy with a definable skill set off the bench. The closest thing might be Lard, as a post presence and rim runner, or THT as a mismatch guy, similar to Burton. But then you have a collection of Babb, Halliburton, Wigginton, and Shayok, who can't all start.

It's certainly a different set of players than Iowa St has had in the past, and it's definitely been more unique with the injuries and suspensions. But, ultimately it's the coach's job to get the best out of the rotation. Has Prohm done that? Maybe he has, maybe this is the best option, but I would have rather seen a bit more tinkering with it.

 

[madguy30]

Do me a favor and go watch the Texas replay again. Find me one guy on the team who defended well. (Conditt was the best). Every single guy either completely left their guy or had hand down and gave like 3 feet of space. Haliburton, Shayok, THT, Babb and Jacobson all gave up as many, if not more, open 3’s than Wiggy.

Last two games, Wigginton is averaging 6 rebounds per game.

Not talking about the Texas game, and you're not wrong that ISU was awful there all around.

Listen to CW's podcast on the matter.

 

[jbindm]

I can see maybe putting Wigginton in the starting lineup but who do you bench and will they step up and be the scoring punch off the bench that LW has provided?

There are enough scorers on the team that it shouldn't be too difficult to stagger minutes to make sure this isn't an issue. But what exactly has LW done on a consistent basis to earn a starting role? He's been as hot and cold as anyone else on the team.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Do you honestly think Cam or MJ can guard an opponents 4?

Why don't we think Jacobson can guard a 4? That's his natural position. He moves his feet better than some of our guards, and he's one of our best rebounders. He's not an undersized 5. He's a 4.

Cam has shown he can't guard anything in space.

 

[isufbcurt]

Texas, Kansas, KState, Baylor, West Virginia. Now Baylor plays a little smaller this year then they normally do but Clark going down is part of that. I don't think Jacobson and Lard though are the ideal guys to play together. Also, a team like Texas exploited ISU's small lineup when it would post Osetkowski which led to many open threes. Just sayin. It can be exploited either way depending on the team.

Texas only plays 1 big at a time - either Sims or the freshman. I don't consider Osetkowski a big.

Kansas St only play 1 big at a time (Mayween) - Wade is not a big.

West Virginia really only has Culver as a big since Konate is hurt.

Baylor is only playing Gillespie or Thamba now that Clark is hurt. Baylor is playing small they just hustle more than everyone else.

KU I'll give you.