I agree. If they start baseball up again, there won't be anyone watching just like before.
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Taking your argument to the extreme, why do we have any sports that don't pull their own weight? All they do is suck money away from the football/MBB programs...
I'm not saying that we should have baseball, but I think this argument alone doesn't explain why we shouldn't.
A little different when it is a loss that ended in overtime compared to a 35 point loss or whatever it was, but I do agree that is not a good way to tell how good a conference is based off of one game.Is that why Boise beat OU?
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Is that why Boise beat OU?
Remember the part where I added the condition "and gets exposed as a total fraud in their bowl"? Go back and read it again...it should be easy; you put it in bold font.
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Yeah, man, wasn't the Clemson pounding the biggest margin in bowl history? Not just BCS, but all bowls?
And I'm in total agreement with you; both conferences have been pretty damned awful.
If Brian Kelly was still coaching that Cincy, no way do they get destroyed like that. That game is a poor case study here.
Good points on Pitt and UConn, but keep in mind that it was almost universally regarded in both of those cases that they WEREN'T the best team in the Big East, but had gotten the BCS bid through a series of bizarre tie breakers. They definitely got waxed, but they didn't get waxed any worse than the ACC did when Stanford butt-f*cked VA Tech in 2010, and West Virginia curb-stomped Clemson last year.
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Ohhhh, was that the year that Brian Kelly got offered the ND gig and let one of his assistants coach the bowl game?
Yes. And his OC took a mid-major job. They had some interim coach.
I remember watching the Cincy LBs looking to the sideline for the play while Tebow was dropping back to pass. It was a complete **** fest.
However, WVU **** canned OU without Rich Rod. They still had their OC and DC though.
First, find me a men's sport where our historical success rate is as bad as baseball. Second, we are not talking about offering a sport. We are talking about starting up a sport. Basically from scratch.
You want to talk about hockey? Great. But we cannot and never will succeed in baseball. JP just as well take that money he would spend on baseball and light it on fire in the street. About the same return on investment.
How about football? Baseball has a higher all-time win % than football, and is only slightly behind MBB. Other than wrestling, ISU is historically very average at just about every sport.
Women's BB: 609-525 (.537)
Softball: 743-693-5 (.516)
Men's BB: 1212-1239 (.494)
Baseball: 1346-1412-17 (.485)
Volleyball: 619-650-10 (.484)
Football: 481-567-46 (.440)
Women's soccer: 98-119-19 (.415)
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-title 9
-big 12 requires particiption in minimum number of conference sports to be in
-there are few other sports we have had the lack of success we had in baseball. the other sports we are in arent as heavily disadvantages by our geography.
-cost wise baseball would be more expensive than mot the other non-rev sports we participte in
I stand corrected. Had no idea we made the NCAA tournament 3 times in baseball. Too bad that was like 40 years ago.
Still would be a waste of resources.
I had no idea baseball was this popular in Ames. All these fans must have been watching on tv or going to games when I wasn't there. Anyway, why have a sport that we don't even have a chance to be competitive. JP has said so too, and he seems to have a pretty good handle on things. We are hundreds of miles north of our competition. No other school in the country would share the disadvantage we would be at with regards to baseball. Isn't that money better spent on football, basketball, or even wrestling? Most of the schools in our conference with baseball don't have wrestling.
Reading back through this thread, here is my logic. We should offer sports in which either (1) we can make money, (2) we can be successful or at least competitive, and/or (3) fans will support.
To me, baseball meets NONE of these criteria. Loses money. Major competitive disadvantages. And NOBODY went to the games. Seriously, I lived in a house on Knapp Street across from the field. The visiting fans outnumbered our fans. In fact, if it wasn't for the PA announcer, there were times we wouldnt have known there was a game. Same number of fans as there are at a practice. Which is none.
Women's sports are different via Title IX. If there was no Title IX, I would bet softball and women's tennis would be gone in a hurry and replaced by something else. But tennis requires fewer resources. And the costs to replace softball with another revenue-losing women's sport (thanks to Title IX) would probably be higher than to simply continue it.
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