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HoustonClone

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We also had a QB in the pocket called down because his forward progress stopped.

Couldn't believe it when I saw it. I've NEVER seen that called. It's laughable, and so are those who are trying to defend those who got paid to call this game fairly.
 

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I'm actually surprised that Brock wasn't called for targeting on that hit from Baylor, the way the refs were calling that game. Brock clearly lowered his head before initiating the contact. :jimlad:
 

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That call was mystifying. I never did see a replay, but it looked like perfect technique.

It didn't even look like Johnson was low. We are getting to the point where rules are putting DEFENDERS AT RISK of injury!!

The bold…didn’t look like he was low because he wasn’t. Horse **** call.

Go read the game thread on the Baylor message board. They know.
 

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The Baylor kid hit with his face mask.
Wow. I understand you are someone who probably can't stand to be wrong, but you are just flat out wrong on this one. The replay has been posted multiple times, and the Baylor player objectively led with the crown of his helmet. No debate.

Personally I don't think either one should be targeting. That should be reserved for defenseless players. Once a player has forward momentum and shoulder pads are lowered targeting should be out the window. But that's not how they called it, and if you call the one on ISU you HAVE to call the one on Baylor.
 

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Wow. I understand you are someone who probably can't stand to be wrong, but you are just flat out wrong on this one. The replay has been posted multiple times, and the Baylor player objectively led with the crown of his helmet. No debate.

Personally I don't think either one should be targeting. That should be reserved for defenseless players. Once a player has forward momentum and shoulder pads are lowered targeting should be out the window. But that's not how they called it, and if you call the one on ISU you HAVE to call the one on Baylor.
Agree with this
 

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Yeah, consistency with targeting calls is just all over the board. And it'd be one thing if that inconsistency was just game to game, which would be annoying but you can live with it. But so often its wildly inconsistent even within games.

Should just make it a yardage penalty. Even if its more than 15 yards.
Yeah. The DQ that carries over to the next game if it happens in the 2nd half is so stupid.

Make it 15, and an ejection on the 2nd one of the game, but just for that game regardless of when it happens.
 
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The targeting rule has gone too far. If they call it by the letter of the law like they did with Freyler, you'll have 5-6 players on each team getting ejected every game.

The targeting rule needs to apply to helmet-to-helmet contact to defenseless players only like it originally was.
 

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- Freyler targeting: would have been 3rd and 6 for Baylor at their own 42
- Reeder unnecessary roughness: Iowa State sacked Baylor’s QB for a loss of 5 on that play

Baylor scores on that drive to make it 7-0. Gifted 30 yards, with 15 of them coming on an advantage down and distance for Iowa State, with 15 more on a play that should have resulted in 2nd and 15.

- Anthony Johnson block below the waist: would have been 4th and 7 from the Iowa State 29 (46 yard FG attempt).

Baylor scores on this drive too, to make it 17-7.

That is 3, early, ******** calls that result in 14 points for Baylor. I’m beyond pissed.
 

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Wow. I understand you are someone who probably can't stand to be wrong, but you are just flat out wrong on this one. The replay has been posted multiple times, and the Baylor player objectively led with the crown of his helmet. No debate.

Personally I don't think either one should be targeting. That should be reserved for defenseless players. Once a player has forward momentum and shoulder pads are lowered targeting should be out the window. But that's not how they called it, and if you call the one on ISU you HAVE to call the one on Baylor.
So right on the targeting. Once a player becomes a runner, with forward momentum, 9/10 it’s the offensive guy lowering his shoulders. There is no way you can play defense ona guy with the ball and still be worried about a targeting call.

But, to top it off, if you are going to establish that call at the beginning of the game, then they should all be at least looked at. Today was a travesty on a lot of levels, not just the refs, but the refs certainly were at the pinnacle and decided to make themselves a huge part of the game from the get go.
 

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- Freyler targeting: would have been 3rd and 6 for Baylor at their own 42
- Reeder unnecessary roughness: Iowa State sacked Baylor’s QB for a loss of 5 on that play

Baylor scores on that drive to make it 7-0. Gifted 30 yards, with 15 of them coming on an advantage down and distance for Iowa State

- Anthony Johnson block below the waist: would have been 4th and 7 from the Iowa State 29 (46 yard FG attempt).

Baylor scores on this drive too, to make it 17-7.

That is 3, early, ******** calls that result in at 14 points. I’m beyond pissed.
Ok now do all the stuff we mess up on and then you won’t be (as) pissed.
 

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Fully legal. You can jam a receiver.
E. Dean got absolutely DEMOLISHED last week by an LB on a crossing route. Totally de-cleated, shook him up really good. A truly violent hit against a dude not looking. But the refs call nothing, likely because it’s “legal” to jam a receiver within 3 yards of the LOS.

And this week, we get assblasted by the same call. It’s blatant and sadly, it’s aggressively, obviously, and enthusiastically blatant.
 

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Had the game on mute for the Freyler play and couldn’t figure out what the hell they were reviewing. Thought maybe the ball had popped out at the end of the play. I’ve never seen a targeting call like that. Should have been multiple ejections on both teams throughout the game if that is the standard.
 
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Had the game on mute for the Freyler play and couldn’t figure out what the hell they were reviewing. Thought maybe the ball had popped out at the end of the play. I’ve never seen a targeting call like that. Should have been multiple ejections on both teams throughout the game if that is the standard.


Had they ejected the Baylor player in the same manner.......no one would be talking about it now. But they didn't.......that's one.

Two was the legal "jam" by Reeder. I think if they had called PI while not right would be more understandable than a personal foul because it certainly wasn't that.

And three.....the "low" block. If ever there a question about how a crew was looking to set the tone........that was the call.

Winning and losing was more than likely not dictated by any of these they were so early in the game.

But it sure makes the team on the end of those calls think twice instead of reacting. That usually puts them a step behind.

Now, with all that said and then having the opponent only flagged once the first half (right before half)............makes it hard to think the slate was even from the beginning which is all anyone asks.
 

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17 hit with the top of his head. Its actually more dangerous for him than the ball carrier.
The Baylor kid hit with his face mask.
Looked more like the ISU player led with his shoulder and it contact slid to his helmet, the Baylor player squarely places his helmet in Brock's shoulder. First should never be a ejection, the second was more dangerous for both players. There were several other instances that were at least as bad.
 

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  1. Unnecessary roughness on that pass play was total BS. There is no illegal contact in college football. Defense can hit players before the ball is in the air. Not our fault that you are running a crossing route through a zone and can't keep your damn feet after some contact.
  2. Defensive block below the waist was BS. Initial contact was shoulder to shoulder, then our smaller player fell down.
  3. The ref closest to Brocks' goaline fumble really biffed that play, He was so worried about getting his bean bag out that he didn't follow the chase for the ball

Would have been a interesting finished with some competent zebras.