Exactly. Urban didn't "decide" to fire him. The simple fact of the arrest made the decision for him.
The other side of the urban meyer zach Smith story
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Exactly. Urban didn't "decide" to fire him. The simple fact of the arrest made the decision for him.
After watching the Zach Smith interview I was pretty sure he was telling the truth. Wanted to post it but was sure the Me Too lynch mob on this forum would eat any one alive.
Guys: screenshot your texts and record intense conversations if you suspect a girl is BPD or just plain crazy. Or just attempt to not stick your **** in crazy.
Guys: screenshot your texts and record intense conversations if you suspect a girl is BPD or just plain crazy. Or just attempt to not stick your **** in crazy.
I'm pretty sure neither person is being totally honest. Those pictures of her bruises looked pretty hard to self-inflict. One would think the supposed multitude of police reports would shed some light on this whole scenario, but apparently that's taking quite some time.
That being said, it's not going to matter much longer. Urban isn't getting fired, and Smith is already fired, so this entire situation will disappear as soon as the season spins up.
I agree. Not sure he could have fired him for it earlier then he did. Obviously a volatile relationship, going thru a messy a divorce, he said - she said, a Police investigation with no arrests or charges. I guess he could have let him go or not renewed his contract with the old "decided to go a new direction and wish him the best" reasoning.
I wonder if Urban would have fired Smith in 2015 if the police had arrested him then.
I expect that Urban would have fired him. Getting arrested crosses a line. Prior to that, Urban had plenty of evidence that there was a rocky marriage, but Zach made it sound like they both wanted to be left alone to work it out (and keep their very lucrative paycheck), so Urban let them do so, perhaps at the advice of Shelly who as a nurse and nursing professor, should know her professional options.
This is a difficult one as sometimes an abused person won't tell their parents or those close to them and try to keep up appearances of everything being perfect, until a certain breaking point. I don't know if this is one of those situations, but the quotes from her mom could be dismissed in this fashion or on the flip side Courtney could just be bat crap crazy.
Its also different than if Smith was abusing a Student or OSU employee. If that were the case I think you are quicker to fire him as it would protect the students or employee by removing Smith from Campus.
Also, for more related outrage, it appears that AD Gene Smith is out on a week vacation, mid-investigation.
I've gone back and forth on this a little. On one hand, I do think there are many occasions where Coach's can leave things to law enforcement. If you know police are handling a matter, why not leave it to them to make a determination of guilt? They have power, resources and training that a head football coach doesn't have. If they determine there is not enough there to prove a crime was committed I don't necessarily fault a coach for trusting that determination.
However, in watching the guy's press conference, I am on the belief he was abusive. And I have a hard time believing Urban didn't know that was going on. If he had direct knowledge, that's a problem.
I guess the lying to the media thing doesn't bother me a ton. For some reason, the sports media seems to think that misleading them is some kind of high crime. I wish he'd have been more forthcoming, but I'm not sure it's something you fire someone over.
So to me, it comes down to what he had directly, personal knowledge of and what he did with that knowledge. I don't think we have an answer to that.
However, in watching the guy's press conference, I am on the belief he was abusive. And I have a hard time believing Urban didn't know that was going on. If he had direct knowledge, that's a problem.
I guess the lying to the media thing doesn't bother me a ton. For some reason, the sports media seems to think that misleading them is some kind of high crime. I wish he'd have been more forthcoming, but I'm not sure it's something you fire someone over.
So to me, it comes down to what he had directly, personal knowledge of and what he did with that knowledge. I don't think we have an answer to that.
Zach didn't come across well in the interview. His non-verbals seemed to contradict his statements. However, that might be explained by the stress he must be under. Plus, coaches tend to be wound pretty tight anyway.
I don't have nearly enough information to make a judgment. But I can see a plausible explanation in which Zach didn't physically abuse her and it made sense to Urban to let them work it out on their own (with the provision, as Zach said, that if he ever hits her, he will be fired). The testimony of the mother and mother-in-law seems in line with this explanation.
i think the sticking point is that Urban has to report any accusations of sexual/physical abuse by/of any student or staff member to the authorities per his contract. If he knew of accusations (true or not) he has to report that. If he knew and did not report, he can be fired with cause, meaning OSU wouldn't have to pay out his billion dollar contract.
And Urban has very clearly claimed that he reported everything he was supposed to report.
I trust Brett McMurphy's reporting (and the accompanying screenshots) far more than anyone else involved in this.
I hate that saying. Someone is lying. Both might be lying. No one is telling the truth of which there is only one version.
More true is three sides. A side for each involved and the third side is the truth which lays somewhere between the two other sides.
