I think you missed Seneca getting called down short of the TD in the Florida State game...
The most frustrating part for me
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I think you missed Seneca getting called down short of the TD in the Florida State game...
Very well stated and my sentiments exactly. We lost to Texas and Baylor due to mistakes and execution, but we lost to Mizzou due to effort alone.
Hawk fan first, but been a Clone follower since 1970. Lots of good points. Giffords missed chip shot against Okie in 81. Hawks do have more going for them than WHO. Big 10 and The Rag, though I do understand your frustration.
Here is more
-Kansas State 1999. Started the year 3-0, went up 28-7 to 11th ranked at halftime then went on to lose 35-28.
-Texas 1999
-Texas A and M 2000. Started the year 5-1. Got on ABC, a great crowd showed up, and we got bombed.
-Florida State 2002
-3 overtime losses in 2005 and an unexplainable loss to Baylor that same year.
That 2005 literally could have won every single game.
So yeah to your point we just can't ever really get over the hump. Frustrating indeed.
A couple of counter points. You said Jantz passing has not been that bad. Maybe, but a lot of times on key downs he make throws that are unbelievably bad for a D-1 qb. Sometimes his passes float when he should have drilled it and vice versa. There were a couple of passes that had us wondering when in the hell was he throwing it? And, James White is a decent back if he has a seem and can get north south. However, he seems to have an inability to make people miss in the open field. There were several runs to the outside saturday where all he had to do was beat one guy and he could never do it, he could never shake that one tackler. It is essential to have a tailback at ISU that can beat one guy in the open field a good percentage of the time.
I think CPR's golas are to be great (top 15) team every time we play. Thus getting throttled is a huge gap from goal. Hard on emotions.
Where as Danny Mac's objective was to not be totally embarrased and win the second half. Much easier to obtain and therfore much less of an emotional blow.
And no..... I'd much rather have CPR.
Where as Danny Mac's objective was to not be totally embarrased and win the second half. Much easier to obtain and therfore much less of an emotional blow.
And no..... I'd much rather have CPR.
The reality is this year and next year will be the best judges of CPR's recruiting ability. I've been telling my buddies for years that year 3 would be the hardest, followed by year 4. Year 3 is when the lost recruiting class from the coaching change hits you. And year 4 is a measure of your recruiting ability.
He's clearly a good motivator and a fair in game coach, but if he can't get players to come here he's dead in the water. Make no mistake about it, things don't look very promising at this point.
This isn't a scheme thing, this is a not good enough players thing.
He's clearly a good motivator and a fair in game coach, but if he can't get players to come here he's dead in the water. Make no mistake about it, things don't look very promising at this point.
This isn't a scheme thing, this is a not good enough players thing.
This is such a ridiculous mis-representation of Mac. We were one game away from playing in the B12 title game in two of his last 3 years. It amazes me the number of people who still think it was time for Mac to go. They are absolutely ******* insane.
The blowouts to me at this point is the number one thing we've got to change. ISU has got to hang it's hat on something. Teams that can at least hang it's hat on one thing rarely get blown out. Running the ball, pass defense, stopping the run..something. Right now ISU is not great at anything so it makes staying in games hard. If you can't stay in games and at least make games interesting it's going to be difficult to keep fans interested.
Looks like we need to elevate to a three star recruiting operation ot compete in the Big 12. Good intentionsdm, will, and coaching can take you only so far.
By the way, why does not the oline block better? It is not size. It is not speed. Whatr is it?
By the way, why does not the oline block better? It is not size. It is not speed. Whatr is it?
The "ABC TV slot" alone seems to be jinxed. Question for anyone who tracks such things better than I could: What's ISU's record in games with ABC regional coverage? It's gotta be horrendous.
And not to add further fuel to the futility fire, but another frustration for long-time fans (two, actually, although they're similar):
1. Huge wins often turn out to be unimpressive in context of opponent's true strength (Nebraska '02; Texas '10)
2. Quite often, the best ISU teams have won 7 to 9 games, mostly by winning games they probably should have won (i.e., most of the teams they beat were of equal of worse quality). Nothing wrong with that, but those are the best teams.
I think most rational people saw the writing on the wall. Mac benefitted from playing against some of the worst teams ever in the Big XII North, plus down versions of aTm, OSU and Baylor was consistently the bottom of the South. Yet he didn't manage to win those games he needed to. Add in 2003 and 2006 the let down in 2002 and you are looking at a pretty poor 5 year performance. Mac was never able to get us over that hump and had plenty of years and multiple chances to do it. Against competition that isn't anything like it is this year in the Big XII. Fans got tired of waiting for the other teams to get worse, so we could win more. Dan was a great guy, but a pretty poor game day coach who played way too conservatively for a team like ISU. I definitely wouldn't call anyone crazy for wanting to make a change. As I said, too many people equate the success he had with great teams, as opposed to terrible competition. Other than maybe 2004, I can't think of one year that he was here that his teams didn't underperform.
Still it remains, the gods of football are against us.;-) I think that Mac would still be at ISU had we made FG's against Alabama and MO
Egads, there sure is a lot of crying on here over an away game where we were a 2-score 'dog.
Especially considering that nearly everyone to a man believed this season to be a 3-9 or 4-8 season at the outset. Our personnel hasn't changed since then, and no one has miraculously sprouted 3 inches taller or grown wings on their feet. This team is 3-3...or 75% of the way toward their universally projected pre-season maximum, during the freaking golden era of an undiluted Big 12.
A home match with Colorado is off the menu this year, and in its place, we get OU and Tejas every year. Nebraska was not our most difficult opponent - in the North. Mizzou was a legitimate top 20 team with a run of lousy breaks.
We're 2-0 in conference play - that is, the Big Ten and the Big East.
Tough conference, no gimmes, tough breaks, and a baby qb.
Quit crying. "All in" means something to those players, and those fans who haven't been guzzling hawk-colored kool aid.
Do we need to play better in the coming weeks? Heck yes. But should we be 3-3 at this point?
No way. Under Chizik, we'd be a carefree and firmly entrenched 0-6. Under McCarney, we'd be 1-5 (no 4th quarter comebacks, with the exception of knowing how to beat Ferentz.) Under Walden, we'd be 0-5-1. Under Criner we'd have forfeited the season. Under Duncan we'd have declared the season over following the Iowa game. Under Bruce we'd be watching him pick up Tressel's aftermath. Under Majors, we'd be watching him replace the 'stache at Pitt or the boy at Tennessee.
You think Clay Stapleton wants to take this amped-up, steroided out, strongest conference on the planet?
Or would you rather dig up Vince DiFrancesca and see what he thinks of coming back? My bet is he'd rather you just hit him with the shovel instead.
We have a .500 team that has disappointed us in losses against legitimate top tier teams.
Boo. Hoo.
Especially considering that nearly everyone to a man believed this season to be a 3-9 or 4-8 season at the outset. Our personnel hasn't changed since then, and no one has miraculously sprouted 3 inches taller or grown wings on their feet. This team is 3-3...or 75% of the way toward their universally projected pre-season maximum, during the freaking golden era of an undiluted Big 12.
A home match with Colorado is off the menu this year, and in its place, we get OU and Tejas every year. Nebraska was not our most difficult opponent - in the North. Mizzou was a legitimate top 20 team with a run of lousy breaks.
We're 2-0 in conference play - that is, the Big Ten and the Big East.
Tough conference, no gimmes, tough breaks, and a baby qb.
Quit crying. "All in" means something to those players, and those fans who haven't been guzzling hawk-colored kool aid.
Do we need to play better in the coming weeks? Heck yes. But should we be 3-3 at this point?
No way. Under Chizik, we'd be a carefree and firmly entrenched 0-6. Under McCarney, we'd be 1-5 (no 4th quarter comebacks, with the exception of knowing how to beat Ferentz.) Under Walden, we'd be 0-5-1. Under Criner we'd have forfeited the season. Under Duncan we'd have declared the season over following the Iowa game. Under Bruce we'd be watching him pick up Tressel's aftermath. Under Majors, we'd be watching him replace the 'stache at Pitt or the boy at Tennessee.
You think Clay Stapleton wants to take this amped-up, steroided out, strongest conference on the planet?
Or would you rather dig up Vince DiFrancesca and see what he thinks of coming back? My bet is he'd rather you just hit him with the shovel instead.
We have a .500 team that has disappointed us in losses against legitimate top tier teams.
Boo. Hoo.
How dare you try to use logic with a group of illogical buffoons on this board! After reading the BS on here the past couple of days I'm convinced that its been hijacked by a bunch or Hawkeye fans. You're right - we were hoping for a 2-win season before the season started, but now that we're at .500 with 3-wins the world is cratering. I can only suspect that the fanbase is hyper-paranoid due to the fact that we're looking rough at the same time that reorganization is continuing?
What people forget is that Mizzou is easily the best team we've played all year. W had a chance against Baylor and Texas. Mistakes killed us there. Mizzou was night and day better than anyone we've seen...and the best are yet to come. Don't be surprised if we go 1-8 or 2-7 in the conference. If we get down too far we could go 0-9.
The most frustrating thing for me is:
Blowouts
Stupid Penalties
Dropped Balls
Fumbles
Interceptions
OL blocking or whatever you call it when 4 DL are in the backfield as quickly as the ball is snapped
Complete lack of pass rush
DL/LB getting manhandled
MISSED ******* KICKS!!!!!!
I am behind CPR and his decisions on his staff and what players should play. You don’t have to go to far back to remember when a lot of us were calling for JT to start over AA and well we all know how well that worked.
I am pretty much writing off the possibility of this team playing clean, disciplined football. I think it is safe to say that after 50% of the season you are who you are. We might get lucky and have a semi-clean mistake free game but I just don’t think at this point we can expect anything better (mistake wise) that what we have seen consistently so far.
People on this site want to point fingers at Herman and I cant argue too much. Productivity has been lacking to say the least but I think you can also point that same finger at Wally after the last two teams put up over 1000 yds on offense. We just cant help each other out. If the O would gain some yards and first downs it would tremendously help the D but at some point the D has to be able to get off the field. Also the kicking game is horrible, yes I know we made a FG and both XP’s but that is hardly a spectacular performance. So that leaves us with what exactly that we do well? Punting? Ok I will give you that Kirby is pretty darn good but punting is . . well, punting.
This team has no identity, we don’t run, pass or block well and we cant play any type of Defense.
I know it sounds like I am jumping off a cliff but Christ, give us something to be proud of!
Blowouts
Stupid Penalties
Dropped Balls
Fumbles
Interceptions
OL blocking or whatever you call it when 4 DL are in the backfield as quickly as the ball is snapped
Complete lack of pass rush
DL/LB getting manhandled
MISSED ******* KICKS!!!!!!
I am behind CPR and his decisions on his staff and what players should play. You don’t have to go to far back to remember when a lot of us were calling for JT to start over AA and well we all know how well that worked.
I am pretty much writing off the possibility of this team playing clean, disciplined football. I think it is safe to say that after 50% of the season you are who you are. We might get lucky and have a semi-clean mistake free game but I just don’t think at this point we can expect anything better (mistake wise) that what we have seen consistently so far.
People on this site want to point fingers at Herman and I cant argue too much. Productivity has been lacking to say the least but I think you can also point that same finger at Wally after the last two teams put up over 1000 yds on offense. We just cant help each other out. If the O would gain some yards and first downs it would tremendously help the D but at some point the D has to be able to get off the field. Also the kicking game is horrible, yes I know we made a FG and both XP’s but that is hardly a spectacular performance. So that leaves us with what exactly that we do well? Punting? Ok I will give you that Kirby is pretty darn good but punting is . . well, punting.
This team has no identity, we don’t run, pass or block well and we cant play any type of Defense.
I know it sounds like I am jumping off a cliff but Christ, give us something to be proud of!
Not to be debbie downer, but this is the exact reason why he had to go....
Being the most tenured coach in the XII, having these situations, and not coming out on top of them was what got him canned...
