team recruiting 2002 till now

[theyork]

sorry i'm bored so i'll just keep posting random things

02--30th
03--46th
04--42nd
05--58th
06--63rd
07--60th
08--62nd
09--73rd
10--currently 47th. However, our class is almost full and there are a LOT of teams who will pass us by simply putting bodies in their classes. i would predict an upper 50's low 60's finish.

the sad thing about these low class rankings is that the team has generally finished worse than the recruit rankings.

 

[Tre4ISU]

ya how did those 03 and 04 classes do?

 

[theyork]

ya how did those 03 and 04 classes do?

well they were part of the good 04 and 05 teams. but then...fail

 

[StLouisClone]

If the rankings are accurate, it shows that Mac's recruiting really tailed off at the end and Chizik made things even worse.

 

[clonecard]

Would never suspect that Rhoads could do this well in yr one with sub par recruiting classes. Oh, and thanks for nothing Gene. All the hype surrounding your recruiting was just that.

 

[Frak]

Would never suspect that Rhoads could do this well in yr one with sub par recruiting classes. Oh, and thanks for nothing Gene. All the hype surrounding your recruiting was just that.

Tell that to LJ, Darks, Benton, KO, Haughton, Lyle, Alvarez who are all starting. And Rump, Lenz, SJ, Klein, Franklin, Maggitt, Tiller who have all seen major time. I don't buy rankings, what I look at is other offers. Rhoads has done a great job so far and it's way too early to make any judgement on his recruiting, but I'd bet that Chizik's 2008 class had more players with other BCS offers than any in the last 20 years.

I'm glad Chizik is gone and we got CPR, but he wasn't the devil. Looking objectively, he did a pretty good job recruiting and keeping players out of trouble (or bringing in players that wouldn't get in trouble). Gameday coaching was the main issue.

 

[sdillon500]

I don't know if I buy this. It's true that ISU hasn't had a lot of success pulling in high ranking classes historically, but I really like what Rhoads is doing in his first full year of recruiting. With 24 recruits, ISU is currently tied for the 47th best recruiting class, and has 566 points. Over the last six years, teams with about 566 total points at the end of the recruiting season averaged out to have the 48th best class in the nation. With two scholarships left to give, ISU's ranking will probably stay the same or go up a bit.

 

[SCNCY]

Even though we have a high national ranking, we may still finish last in the big 12. We are currently 8th with 24 commits. However, Kansas has 14 commits, Baylor has 16, KSU has 13 and Colorado has 12 in that order. We may beat Colorado as they are ranked 64 right now, but we may get jumped by everyone else since they still have a long way to go. Even though our recruiting is better than previous years, it looks like the Big12 overall had a good year as well.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Listen, no team will make a complete roster of 4 and 5 star guys. There will always be 3, 2 and maybe even walk ones who are great players. The key is for us to find the guys we can develop into greatness. So far we have succeeded. We had two four star guys on the team last year. One was hurt and one didn't contribute much. Chizik left us some guys that can play the game. The problem was they were young and Chiz didn't get much done with what he had. I would say this years team is more talented than last years, however not 4 games better. Not beating Nebraska on the road better. Not having a chance to go 9-3 better. CPR, so far, has proven he has put the staff in place to succeed with talent that is not as great as teams we play. I cannot wait to see what he can do when he starts getting some raw talent. He got David Sims last who i really believe that when he was on the field may have been the best player on the field. I am not just saying that. When I watched him play I thought that. If Rony Nelson comes in and has anywhere near that impact, we will be good on defense. Not great because we lack depth, but we will be good. A year ago this program was in limbo. We had no idea where we were going. I never imagined we would be in this position where we had the opportunity and reason to be so optimistic. CPR has never had a losing record as a head coach and I love it.

 

[MontyBurns]

I'm glad Chizik is gone and we got CPR, but he wasn't the devil.

Maybe not, but it's an easy mistake to make:

 

[Stormin]

Even though we have a high national ranking, we may still finish last in the big 12. We are currently 8th with 24 commits. However, Kansas has 14 commits, Baylor has 16, KSU has 13 and Colorado has 12 in that order. We may beat Colorado as they are ranked 64 right now, but we may get jumped by everyone else since they still have a long way to go. Even though our recruiting is better than previous years, it looks like the Big12 overall had a good year as well.

Unless those teams get some highly ranked recruits they won't make a significant jump upward. I believe that you only get a few points for an average player. It is the big names that jump your points ratings and hence your class rating.

I think that Chizik brought in an upgrade of talent that was able to show up. Mac's last few classes were made up of guys that were high risk. A lot of them never even made it to campus. And I remember that things were really looking bleak on the recruiting front when Mac resigned. Things were really bleak.

 

[theyork]

"CPR has never had a losing record as a head coach and I love it."

hold your breath, there is still a chance.

 

[ajk4st8]

Go back and adjust the rankings for guys who stayed at least a year or 2.

 

[heitclone]

I don't buy into the rankings either but this class does look pretty solid so far.I think Chiz did a good job of upgrading the athleticism of the team it will be interesting to see how Rhoads first class pans out, and if he can keep up this kind of recruiting momentum.

 

[DrewCo]

Am I the only one that is really happy with the way Chizik recruited? I actually am. The players he brought in are arguably our best players

 

[CYVADER]

Am I the only one that is really happy with the way Chizik recruited? I actually am. The players he brought in are arguably our best players

I count 19 of the last 2 years classes that got significant pt this year, 24 of the last 3.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Go back and adjust the rankings for guys who stayed at least a year or 2.

There is a lot of truth to this.

The 2002 and 2004 classes particularly were inflated by no shows and busts.
Of the 14 top rated recruits (3 and 4 stars) in the 2002 class, 6 of them were around for more than a year and not all of them played significant minutes or lived up to expectations. Of the 13 two star recruits from '02, 1 didn't show and 5 more were not on the 04 roster.

In the 2004 class, the one 4 star recruit Webster Patrick was a no show and 5 of the 10 three star recruits transfered or were off the roster by '05.

Take all of the no shows and disapearing guys out, and DMac didn't do so hot. He took a lot of chances, which may have been necessary, and missed on too many recruits.


Chizik really only had one full class. His first class was just trying to keep some McCarney recruits and threw in a few JuCos who may or may not have panned out. His first full class includes a good number of our current starters. Their ratings may not have been as high as DMacs, but I think the overall talent may end up being better.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Here is a list of the recruiting classes from 2002 to 2009. The formatting is bad, but it shows who showed up and who stuck around for more than a year or so. DMac had some bad attrition. Chiziks first class had some misses, but both classes have some solid starters or kids with bright futures.

NOTE: I am not a big Chizik fan, but he and his staff could recruit.

2002
4 stars
Austin Flynn QB
Stevie Hicks RB
Curtis James JuCo OL Gone by 2003
Collin Menard JuCo OL
Federico Samuel JuCO DT Gone by 2003
Max Steward JuCo LB Gone by 2003
3 stars
Amecus Daniels DB Gone by 2003
Mike Hmoud OL No show
Jimmy Morris LB Gone by 2005
Saheed Richardson JuCo DE Gone by 2003
Korey Smith DE
Kyle Smith LB
Waye Terry QB Injury/Illness and left team
Emmanuel Valcourt JuCo OL Gone by 2003
2 stars
Jon Davis WR
Christopher Jones DB Gone by 2004
Beau Klaffke LB Gone by 2004
Ryan Kock LB
Craig Kuhrt OL Gone by 2004
Nick Leaders DT
Kory Pence OL
Matt Robertson LB
Klayton Shoals DT Gone by 2004
Kyle Van Winkle ATH
Cory Wierson OL Gone by 2004
Seth Zehr OL
Scott Stephenson DE Ended up at Minnesota then transfered back as a Center
2003
4 stars
NONE
3 stars
Ben Barkema TE
Jason Berryman LB
Todd Blythe WR
Aaron Brant OL
Brandon Cook OL Gone by 2006
Josh Griebahn K
DeAndre Jackson ATH
Bret Meyer QB
Milan Moses WR
Taylor Schrage LB Gone by 2006
John Tjaden OL
Mike West ATH No show
2 stars
Steve Allen LB Gone by 2004
Caleb Berg DB
Brent Curvey DT
Nick Davidson DT Gone by 2005
Dominique Flower DB Gone by 2004
Nate Mechaelsen QB No show
Ron Prelow DB Gone by 2006
Matt Scherbring DT Gone by 2005
Tom Schmeling OL
Bastian Schober OL
Kurtis Taylor ATH
Brandon Tinlin DE
Anthony Walker OL
James Wright JuCo TE Gone by 2004

2004
4 stars
Webster Patrick RB No show
3 stars
Brandon Gunn RB Transfered
Greg Coleman RB Bad when starting - then transfered
Tyease Thompson RB Gone by 2005
Adam Carper DB
Bobby Chalk DB Gone by 2005
Travis Ferguson DE
Jason Scales RB
Fabian Dodd JuCo DT
Josh Hargis JuCo DB Gone by 2005
Terrance Highsmith JuCo QB Played at WR
2 stars
Jordan Goos OL
Will Lewis DB Gone by 2005
Kody Kuehl OL Gone by 2005
Landon Streit OL No show
Nick Frere LB
Mack Kimble ATH Gone by 2005
Jason McGinty DT Gone by 2006
Chris Brown ATH
Brandon Hunley DB
Brandon Johnson OL
R.J. Sumrall WR
Collins Eboh DE Gone by 2005
Mike Main WR Gone by 2005
Joe Vanstrom OL
Tim Dobbins JuCo LB
Jerry Gair DB Gone by 2005
LaMarcus Hicks JuCo DB
1 star
Tony Johnson RB No Show
2005
4 stars
Paul Fisher JuCo OL Never played like a 4 star
Walter Nickel JuCo TE Ditto
3 stars
Trent Flander TE Transferred to play QB at UCONN
A.J. Haase TE Gone by 2006
Houston Jones QB Backup WR
Dominique Rocker RB Gone by 2006
Chris Singleton DB
Reggie Stephens OL
Alvin Bowen Soph LB
Scott Fisher JuCo OL
Thomas Patton JuCo DE Gone by 2006
Reggie Rock ATH No show
2 stars
Derrick Catlett TE
Jason Fiacco OL Transfered to UNI I think
Marquis Hamilton WR
Brice Beck QB Gone by 2006
Eric Schultz DE Gone by 2007
Steve Johnson DB
Josh Raven LB
James Smith ATH
Jason Harris RB Very little PT at RB played some DB
Stephon Dale DE Gone by 2007
Durrell Williams ATH Gone by 2007
Chris Mahoski K
Levi Kanwischer WR No show
John Machado JuCo DE
Jon Banks Soph DB

2006
4 stars
NONE
3 stars
Austen Arnaud QB
Fred Garrin LB
Matt Hulbert OL
Bailey Johnson DT
Josh Johnson RB Gone by 2007
Kris Means LB No show
Derron Montgomery WR
Mitchell Moore ATH Gone by 2007
Rashawn Parker ATH
Alexander Robinson RB
Derrick Russell WR No Show
Zac Sandvig ATH
Jose Vargas OL No Show
Ahtyba Rubin JuCo OL
Lee Tibbs JuCo OL
2 stars
Austin Alburtis DE
Nate Frere DT
Devin McDowell DB
Prince McKinney DB No Show
Patrick Neal DE
Randy Palmer ATH No Show
Drenard Williams ATH
John Richardson DT No Show
Ben Lamaak TE
Justin Robertson DB No Show
Kellen White DB Gone by 2007
Harry Scott RB No Show
Matt Leaders LB Gone by 2007
Matt Purvis JuCo ATH
Collins Eboh DE No Show

2007
4 stars
J.J. Bass RB
3 stars
Phillip Bates QB No comment
Allen Bell DB
Joe Blaes OL Never really played
Christopher Lyle DE
Fabian Brown LB No show
Wallace Franklin JuCo WR
Joe McMahon OL No Show
Kelechi Osemele OL
Michael Tate JuCo DT
2 stars
Alex Alvarez OL
Cameron Bell RB Transfered
Doug Dedrick OL
Joseph Klerekoper OL
Alex Sandvig WR Injured and left football
Chris Weir JuCo DT
Michael Bibbs JuCo LB
Jerrod Black DT
Anthony Green LB No show
A.J. Matthews DB No Show
Trey Baysinger OL
Curtiz Mathis LB Gone by 2008
Randy Kellman DE Gone by 2008
James Carpenter OL No Show
Collin Franklin TE

2008
4 stars
Sedrick Johnson WR
3 stars
Kennard Banks JuCo ATH
Ter'Ran Benton DB
Jason Carlson JuCo WR
Darius Darks ATH
Leonard Johnson ATH
Jake McDonough DE
2 stars
Jerome Tiller QB
Brayden Burris OL
Lonzie Range WR
Jeremiah Schwartz RB
Ethan Tuftee OL
Ernest Ferguson LB Gone by 2009
Chase Harper ATH No show
Judah Linder DB Left program
Roosevelt Maggitt DE
Zach Guyer K
Adrin Haughton OL
Cleyon Laing DE
Carter Bykowski TE
Dustin Land DB Left program
Stephen Ruempolhamer DT
Kevin Hamlin LB
Kurt Hammerschmidt TE
Grant Mahoney K

2009
4 stars
Darius Reynolds ATH
3 stars
Joshua Bellamy WR No show
Aaron Moore OL
Beau Blankenship RB
Keith Blanton WR
Princeton Jackson LB No show
Donnie Jennert WR
A.J. Klein LB
Kyle Lichtenberg OL
Taylor Martin DE No show
James White RB
Jacob Lattimer LB
Matt Taufoou LB
Jon Watts LB No show
2 stars
Jake Knott LB
David Sims DB
Zack Spears OL
Walter Woods DT
Brandon Mims ATH
Jansen Watson DB
Deon Broomfield DB
James Capello QB
Josh Lenz WR
Willie Scott LB
Jacques Washington DB
Jeremy Reeves DB

 

[jaretac]

Maybe not, but it's an easy mistake to make:

Well see, he's not the devil, hes just a demon.

Seriously though, if Rhoads had gone 3-9 this season we wouldn't be as hard on Chizik.

 

[cyhiphopp]

sorry i'm bored so i'll just keep posting random things

02--30th
03--46th
04--42nd
05--58th
06--63rd
07--60th
08--62nd
09--73rd
10--currently 47th. However, our class is almost full and there are a LOT of teams who will pass us by simply putting bodies in their classes. i would predict an upper 50's low 60's finish.

the sad thing about these low class rankings is that the team has generally finished worse than the recruit rankings.

I like numbers so I did some math. It might be a bit ufzzy, but it sums up the recruiting classes from 2002 - 2009

Thie first number is the total stars of all kids in the class regardless of whether they showed up on campus or not.

The second number shows those that made it more than one year.

The third number is a sum of the number of stars of the kids that showed up and stayed two or more years. I counted JuCos who actually stayed their full two years in this number.



2002
74 total stars signed
45 total stars that made it more than one year
32 total stars that were around for 2 or more years

2003
64 total stars signed
53 more than one year
41 2 or more years

2004
69 total stars signed
36 more than one year
33 stayed 2 or more years

2005
68 total stars signed
47 more than one year
41 2 or more years

2006
75 total stars signed
41 more than one year
41 2 or mroe years

Chizik
2007
61 total stars signed
45 more than one year
38 2 or more years

2008
58 total stars signed
54 more than one year
50 2 or more years

Rhoads
2009
67 total stars signed
55 made it to campus and are still on the team


So, 2002 and 2004 were actually DMacs worst years if you look at those who were here 2 or more years. Which means the rankings mean diddly. Chiziks first year wasn't so good, but his second is full of starters.