Survivor: David vs Goliath
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So, now that it's over, can you give us a little more info? I noticed at least two players weren't at the reunion, Jeremy & Alec.
Russell was arguably the best ever to get to the finals of Survivor, and at the same time probably the least likely to ever win the vote in the finals. So I don't know if that makes him one of the best to play Survivor or one of the worst.
Jury got it right. Mike played a great game but Nick's was better. It was him against the world after Davie was voted out. Never understand why they have a final 3. 9 times out of 10 the 3rd person never gets a single vote.
Angelina's voice made my head hurt. God she was ****ing catty and annoying.
Angelina's voice made my head hurt. God she was ****ing catty and annoying.
They go to a final 3 so they can do the fire challenge. I don't like it either. I also don't like the fire challenge. It basically means just make the final four and then if you can "overcome" the fire challenge, then you'll look good in front of the jury.
I actually do like fire challenge. I thought Nick deserved to win, and I think the others wouldn't have taken him with them either had they won the final immunity. Making fire would have given him a chance to still make the final 3 had he not punched his own ticket (for multiple weeks now actually). I think the fire is also very suspenseful and intense to watch.
I agree that it seems only two members typically get votes. But if it had only been a final two and Nick chose Angelina, there wouldn't have been any doubt or buildup to what the outcome was going to be. Finale would have been a complete dud.
Also, I strongly prefer the jury questioning and interview process for Survivor compared to a show like Big Brother where it feels rushed and the final contestants can't fully share all that they did and were a part of throughout the entire season. So much happens that others aren't aware of and layers need to be pulled back to gain the full scope of what has been (or has not been) accomplished.
I agree that it seems only two members typically get votes. But if it had only been a final two and Nick chose Angelina, there wouldn't have been any doubt or buildup to what the outcome was going to be. Finale would have been a complete dud.
Also, I strongly prefer the jury questioning and interview process for Survivor compared to a show like Big Brother where it feels rushed and the final contestants can't fully share all that they did and were a part of throughout the entire season. So much happens that others aren't aware of and layers need to be pulled back to gain the full scope of what has been (or has not been) accomplished.
The jury got it right and I was glad Nick won as he's probably been my favorite player for most of the season and most deserving too. Was a little worried about his chances once Davie was voted out and figured he'd need to win out on immunity which he did. He made the right move taking Angelina and making Mike earn it with the fire challenge as I think Mike would have won had both Davie and Nick not make it to the end. Was a pretty good season overall, started a bit slow but it got really good in a hurry starting right before the merge I think.
As for the contraband it sounds like they caught Mike with THC as they were packing up to leave:
https://soapdirt.com/survivor-spoilers-finalist-smuggled-drugs-cbs-wont-disqualify-cheater/
http://survivorfandom.com/survivor-spoilers-was-survivor-2018-player-caught-cheating-322230/
Just Google search and you'll find all kinds of stuff on this. I waited until this morning to read any so the finale would still have suspense for me when I watched it. Also apparently Alec was banned from the reunion show because he broke their non-disclosure agreement by posting pictures of himself and Kara on social media before the season started. Surprised this hasn't happened more already after as many seasons but just being on the show opens you up to all kinds of financial opportunities for making appearances even if you don't win so abiding by the contract you sign to be on the show should want anyone to not break it.
Back to the finale, Angelina once again making it about herself at every chance and brought up the damn rice thing again and lied about what she was trying to do with the fake idol and Alison as part of her case to the jury. The reunion show bit about Natalie being upset how she was portrayed was funny, Jeff asks the cast if anyone else felt they didn't portray them fairly and no one raised their hands. "Whaaattttt?" Natalie says which then not surprising you see Angelina kind of waver a bit like maybe she thinks she wasn't either. I guess sometimes people are just blind to how they really come off to others when they get put in spotlight like that.
Not sure what to think about next season based off the previews. Obviously it looks like there is some kind of new twist that kind of looks like some form of exile island maybe plus 4 returning players. I could tell who the other 2 were but Joe and Aubrey were 2 that they actually showed talking. Joe was "meh" the last 2 times he played, Aubrey was a pretty good player but just played a poor social game when she made the final 3 and lost. From what I am reading every player voted out will have the option to go to extinction island and wait for 2 chances to get back in the game - at the merge and at the end of the game. More insight on that here: https://www.realityblurred.com/real...inction-survivor-38-cast-twist-date-location/ Looks like Kelly Wentworth and David Wright are the other 2 players.
As for the contraband it sounds like they caught Mike with THC as they were packing up to leave:
https://soapdirt.com/survivor-spoilers-finalist-smuggled-drugs-cbs-wont-disqualify-cheater/
http://survivorfandom.com/survivor-spoilers-was-survivor-2018-player-caught-cheating-322230/
Just Google search and you'll find all kinds of stuff on this. I waited until this morning to read any so the finale would still have suspense for me when I watched it. Also apparently Alec was banned from the reunion show because he broke their non-disclosure agreement by posting pictures of himself and Kara on social media before the season started. Surprised this hasn't happened more already after as many seasons but just being on the show opens you up to all kinds of financial opportunities for making appearances even if you don't win so abiding by the contract you sign to be on the show should want anyone to not break it.
Back to the finale, Angelina once again making it about herself at every chance and brought up the damn rice thing again and lied about what she was trying to do with the fake idol and Alison as part of her case to the jury. The reunion show bit about Natalie being upset how she was portrayed was funny, Jeff asks the cast if anyone else felt they didn't portray them fairly and no one raised their hands. "Whaaattttt?" Natalie says which then not surprising you see Angelina kind of waver a bit like maybe she thinks she wasn't either. I guess sometimes people are just blind to how they really come off to others when they get put in spotlight like that.
Not sure what to think about next season based off the previews. Obviously it looks like there is some kind of new twist that kind of looks like some form of exile island maybe plus 4 returning players. I could tell who the other 2 were but Joe and Aubrey were 2 that they actually showed talking. Joe was "meh" the last 2 times he played, Aubrey was a pretty good player but just played a poor social game when she made the final 3 and lost. From what I am reading every player voted out will have the option to go to extinction island and wait for 2 chances to get back in the game - at the merge and at the end of the game. More insight on that here: https://www.realityblurred.com/real...inction-survivor-38-cast-twist-date-location/ Looks like Kelly Wentworth and David Wright are the other 2 players.
Alec wasnt there, because apparently him and Kara are/were dating (sadface) and posted a pic on Instagram before the season started, therefore violating the NDA. Not sure I heard exactly why Jeremy wasnt there.
The person with the contraband will come clean now that the finale is over. Sounds like it might have been Mike since they were saying a potential revote was on the table.
Yeah, I wonder if it has something to do with what he was saying about Angelina and John.
Don’t watch survivor but I turned on the finale last last night because of a Big Brother account that has all the info behind the scenes and saw something about the contraband so I thought something juicy may come out.
Really enjoyed the finale and couldn’t agree more with your statement above. One of my pet peeves is the finales of Big Brother. It is always rushed and they only give a few minutes to the competitors to explain their game. I realize BB voting is live but you should be able to put together an hour of jury deliberation, pick the winner and then have 30-45 minutes of follow up on the season instead of 15 minutes of 2 people explaining their votes, and then just ending it ASAP.
I kind of like how they have shifted how the jury as a whole just talks with the final 3. They used to have them go 1 by 1 and they could say or ask anything which sometimes led to some epic speeches. But having them just openly discuss the 3 parts of the game "Outwit, Outplay, and Outlast" like they started doing a few seasons ago I think gives them more of a chance to actually discuss the games the 3 finalists played instead of some using it as a way to insult or go on a personal rant. Some of that still comes out but I think keeping the discussion focused on comparing how each player played the game in those 3 aspects makes for a better finale and might even sway some of the jury votes once in awhile when there is less ranting from bitter jury members and more discussion on why someone played the game better than the others.
Don't get me wrong, I still miss some of those great jury speeches and this one from season 1 still has to be one of the best
Don't get me wrong, I still miss some of those great jury speeches and this one from season 1 still has to be one of the best
I think that part also helps to explain the way the jury views the players at times. I will admit, I hate to see some people win because I am simply disgusted by them as human beings (Parvati Shallow as a prime example...). However, I recognize I'm functioning on pure emotion, and basing my opinions on the way the castaways are edited to make the show more interesting. Hearing some of the reasons behind actions (and jury votes) is enlightening.
Bottom line, though - even if I was young enough and healthy enough to play, I would suck at actually playing this game.
You would either be hit or miss. Either they would love you for climbing trees and getting bananas and coconuts; or they would be mad when you got upset and started flinging poo.I think that part also helps to explain the way the jury views the players at times. I will admit, I hate to see some people win because I am simply disgusted by them as human beings (Parvati Shallow as a prime example...). However, I recognize I'm functioning on pure emotion, and basing my opinions on the way the castaways are edited to make the show more interesting. Hearing some of the reasons behind actions (and jury votes) is enlightening.
Bottom line, though - even if I was young enough and healthy enough to play, I would suck at actually playing this game.
I wonder if producers/Jeff setting up the categories for discussion (outwit, outplay, outlast) help lead some of the more emotional jury members to think about more than just "who hurt me or my game, I'm not going to vote for them regardless of the moves they made".
I'm definitely biased toward rewarding the players that make moves, because it makes the game a lot more unpredictable and entertaining. Gut feel (without going back and looking), it just seems like Survivor winners are rewarded a little bit more for big game moves. Big Brother (lately at least) seems to be an emotional thing.
I suppose that Survivor contestants could also just make the emotional vote against the biggest player that got them out or ruined their game too, and would vary from jury to jury. It just seems like Survivor tries to split it into areas to (maybe?) help them look at the contestants from different perspectives.
I'm definitely biased toward rewarding the players that make moves, because it makes the game a lot more unpredictable and entertaining. Gut feel (without going back and looking), it just seems like Survivor winners are rewarded a little bit more for big game moves. Big Brother (lately at least) seems to be an emotional thing.
I suppose that Survivor contestants could also just make the emotional vote against the biggest player that got them out or ruined their game too, and would vary from jury to jury. It just seems like Survivor tries to split it into areas to (maybe?) help them look at the contestants from different perspectives.
Harder to be a two person clique because of tribes, having to make shelter, find food, not much else to do on an island, with the open area you can't have that closed door boom boom session. So it also lends itself to more the work aspect and having to deal with more people than big brother.
How the winner has been picked has definitely been different based on the makeup of the jury and how they got there. There have been some seasons where it felt like someone was a clear cut winner but the jury stuck it to them because they were too bitter on how they got voted out and someone who IMO didn't play as strong of a game won. Then again part of the game is the social aspect which makes it tough to balance that with smart strategic moves or being too much of a challenge threat because you need to play all 3 fairly well to get to then end or at least 2 of those very well to get to the end and hope you didn't ignore the 3rd one which usually is the social aspect too much to lose votes from the jury. I do think the shift in how the final tribal is being handled now is keeping the jury more focused on analyzing how the 3 finalists played the game vs just giving them an open mic to air their grievances on them for how they got voted out.
I've always felt that you have to respect people that played the game well strategically and are the most deserving to win because they earned it. Nick did that, he balanced all 3 aspects very well and you know had he not won those last 3 immunities they would have voted him out because he was the best player left. Probably my favorite all time winners of the game who I played the game better than most have are Tom Westman, Ben Driebergen, probably Wendell from last season, Cochran, Boston Rob, and while I don't like her that much you have to put Sandra on that list too because she is the only 2 time winner. I'm sure I am missing a few others but those are the ones I remember most. Parvarti is probably polarizing because she was hot and likable but she really was just as sneaky as Russell Hantz at manipulating people and basically beat him at his own game.
Yul Kwon and Bob Crowley, along with John Cochrane and Tom Westman have been my favorites. I liked James (I've got two idols in my pocket) until he started thinking with his little head in China. IMO...he got what he deserved.
And every time someone quits the game (for whatever reason), PapaLew brings up the player he despises the most - the original quitter, Osten Taylor (known around these parts as "Wussy***").
And every time someone quits the game (for whatever reason), PapaLew brings up the player he despises the most - the original quitter, Osten Taylor (known around these parts as "Wussy***").
