So what’s up with UNI?

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Know it’s been touched on briefly in another thread, but has Jacobson lost his luster? Lots of really good young players last year and thought they’d really compete in the Valley this upcoming year.

And I see they just lost Wolf to a conference foe, on top of the Born move. Can’t be about $$ can it? Blum alluded to Heise getting much more if he really shopped himself. Just seems odd that many of the local guys, perfect for UNI are jumping ship.
 

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There are several UNI people that can chime in but my understanding is the entire athletic department funding is a disaster and they haven't been investing (because they can't afford it) in football or men's basketball which is causing a lot of issues. That along with essentially no NIL is the cause based on my understanding.

Also, when you get coaches there for 15 years+, sometimes the shine wears off and a reboot is needed - even when the are legacy guys.
 
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Despite what some around here will try to tell you the MVC is on a major downward trend from a competitive standpoint. The players that would have been interested in playing at that level 10 years ago have better options now and the schools that can get out can’t leave fast enough. Then those schools get replaced with lesser schools.
 

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Fran McCaffery's recruiting strategy of "sticking close to home" within Iowa rather than casting a wider net regionally or nationally like most P6 programs has definitely hurt them. If Iowa were recruiting more out of state kids from MN, WI, and IL then more good homegrown IA players would end up as Panthers.

Iowa State has also mined them slightly of late, too -- TJ took away a very talented assistant coach in Kyle Green. Green is known to work wonders on big men and defense. They also took away A.J. Green before he went to the NBA, too, and they just picked up Nate Heise out of the portal, a solid guard.

It is not an enviable position to have one P6 program picking over your traditional recruiting area and level and for the other one to bring in the talent you do have in the program when it feels like it.
 

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Fran McCaffery's recruiting strategy of "sticking close to home" within Iowa rather than casting a wider net regionally or nationally like most P6 programs has definitely hurt them. If Iowa were recruiting more out of state kids from MN, WI, and IL then more good homegrown IA players would end up as Panthers.

Iowa State has also mined them slightly of late, too -- TJ took away a very talented assistant coach in Kyle Green. Green is known to work wonders on big men and defense. They also took away A.J. Green before he went to the NBA, too, and they just picked up Nate Heise out of the portal, a solid guard.

It is not an enviable position to have one P6 program picking over your traditional recruiting area and level and for the other one to bring in the talent you do have in the program when it feels like it.
Don't forget another assistant in Crawford.
 
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Fran McCaffery's recruiting strategy of "sticking close to home" within Iowa rather than casting a wider net regionally or nationally like most P6 programs has definitely hurt them. If Iowa were recruiting more out of state kids from MN, WI, and IL then more good homegrown IA players would end up as Panthers.
Has anyone told Fran that Born is available?;)
 
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@1UNI2ISU can probably shed better light on it then I can, but since I've openly identified myself many times as a dual fan (from Ames, grew up going to ISU games, but graduated from UNI) I think that while UNI avoided the transfer/NIL exodus the last couple of seasons that other schools have gone through that this current off-season the bill came due.

Part of that IMO is just being the "sign of the times" with college sports right now, particularly as it relates to mid-major basketball, but while Ben Jacobson is rightly regarded as being the best coach in UNI history I personally wonder how well equipped and/or enthusiastic he is to adapt to the current environment. It's one thing to lose bench players due to playing time elsewhere, but losing one of them to a conference rival is a bit concerning from an optics standpoint, if nothing else. Both Heise and Born did spend 4 years at UNI, although one of those was a lost season due to injury for Heise.

David Harris was a complete disaster as AD, so if nothing else there is addition by subtraction not having his sorry a$$ in charge anymore. They are in a positon to stay towards the top of the MVC with the changes at Drake and Indiana State and roster changes, as even without Born and Heise they still return a solid group, but Jacobson really needs to reload and bring in more overall talent to the program. Hopefully he's capable of doing that.
 

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Fran McCaffery's recruiting strategy of "sticking close to home" within Iowa rather than casting a wider net regionally or nationally like most P6 programs has definitely hurt them. If Iowa were recruiting more out of state kids from MN, WI, and IL then more good homegrown IA players would end up as Panthers.

Iowa State has also mined them slightly of late, too -- TJ took away a very talented assistant coach in Kyle Green. Green is known to work wonders on big men and defense. They also took away A.J. Green before he went to the NBA, too, and they just picked up Nate Heise out of the portal, a solid guard.

It is not an enviable position to have one P6 program picking over your traditional recruiting area and level and for the other one to bring in the talent you do have in the program when it feels like it.

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If I recall correctly, I think Kayden Fish either visited or was going to visit UNI, but clearly that didn't pan out. They're basically in free fall right now, losing players all over the place.
 

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Know it’s been touched on briefly in another thread, but has Jacobson lost his luster? Lots of really good young players last year and thought they’d really compete in the Valley this upcoming year.

And I see they just lost Wolf to a conference foe, on top of the Born move. Can’t be about $$ can it? Blum alluded to Heise getting much more if he really shopped himself. Just seems odd that many of the local guys, perfect for UNI are jumping ship.
The whole Valley is being gutted.
 

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Cedar Falls has to be a nightmare to recruit nowadays. Panthers have had some good luck recruiting a few years ago. Had AJ fall into their lap. Some other good players but NIL is really going to gut that program even more
 

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Like anything there is no one answer that leads to what's happened.

The biggest thing is the administrative disaster that was David Harris, he did incredible damage in 7 years and UNIs budget was less in real dollars when he left than when he got there. I'm 100% sure he's a nice guy and was great while doing the student services/non-public facing role that he had in Ames before getting the UNI job. The problem with that is that he isn't charismatic, he isn't personable and comes off as somewhere between arrogant and aloof and that doesn't inspire much confidence to donors. The three big projects that got completed while he was here were more in spite of him than because of him.

As for basketball specifically, I think this year is just UNIs turn to get hit and it's not unusual at the Valley level. 15 of the 16 all league guys from last year are gone, 23 of the top 25 scorers are gone, there are only 16 of 60 returning starters left right now and 5 of those are from Valpo who finished dead last by a wide margin, i.e. nobody wanted them. Now that we're a few years into the NIL era, the Valley, WCC, A10 and AAC are AAA affiliates of the P5. Some kids like Heise are going to get called up, others like Duax needed to move down to have more success. Born got a check somewhere. Landon Wolf's Dad and Jake didn't get along. These are kids that might have stuck it out in the past that now have options to move. UNIs two portal commits, Ben Schwieger and Max Weisbrod, are probably steps up from Duax and Wolf.

The criticism of Jake is, and has always been, that he doesn't cast a very wide net in recruiting. He likes high school kids that come from affluent suburbs that played for coaches he knows or coaches that have fairly rigid systems. That strategy gives you a pretty high floor but also reduces your ceiling so unless he has an Adam Koch, Kwadzo Ahelegbe, Seth Tuttle, Jeremy Morgan, Wes Washpun, AJ Green, he's going to be a 19-13 type team that finishes 4th in the Valley. Not a horrible floor but it does get old. This is the first year that he's gone into the portal and gotten kids that he didn't have a previous relationship with so that's encouraging and shows growth.

The bright side is that in 4 months as the interim AD, Bob Bowlsby has gotten $7M in commitments for a basketball practice facility (UNI is the only Valley school that doesn't have one) and shovels should be in the ground by fall. He's embraced NIL and we have a fairly well funded collective for our league and that's only going to get better as time goes on. Francis is finally on his last legs so that is going to help with recruiting big time. The pool of AD candidates they got was deep and impressive and we'll hire a sitting DI AD in the coming days as Bob wants to be out by mid-May.

The Valley is what it's always been historically, the 8th to 11th best league in the country (finished 9th this year), but the gap to the P5 is just bigger because there is so much more money they can throw around. A kid like Kayden Fish could have come to a Valley level school and played big minutes but we don't have a prayer in offering the same kind of facilities, experience, resources and NIL dollars that he'll get being the 12th or 13th guy on a P5 roster and we're going to see more and more of that especially for kids that don't really have pro prospects. They're going to get to live the semi-pro lifestyle that the next tier just can't offer.

TL;DR: UNI isn't dead, it's just an adjustment/reset period while this level figures out what it is.
 

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Cedar Falls has to be a nightmare to recruit nowadays. Panthers have had some good luck recruiting a few years ago. Had AJ fall into their lap. Some other good players but NIL is really going to gut that program even more
Wonder how much a kid like Born will get? Must be something because he left. Weird that Harris seems to have left them in a bad spot. I’m sure wrestling isn’t thrilled with home either.

Kind of too bad, but the Valley just isn’t very good anymore. And seemingly the best players are now leaving. I personally love Cedar Falls. Great town. School finances mismanaged it seems.
 

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Like anything there is no one answer that leads to what's happened.

The biggest thing is the administrative disaster that was David Harris, he did incredible damage in 7 years and UNIs budget was less in real dollars when he left than when he got there. I'm 100% sure he's a nice guy and was great while doing the student services/non-public facing role that he had in Ames before getting the UNI job. The problem with that is that he isn't charismatic, he isn't personable and comes off as somewhere between arrogant and aloof and that doesn't inspire much confidence to donors. The three big projects that got completed while he was here were more in spite of him than because of him.

As for basketball specifically, I think this year is just UNIs turn to get hit and it's not unusual at the Valley level. 15 of the 16 all league guys from last year are gone, 23 of the top 25 scorers are gone, there are only 16 of 60 returning starters left right now and 5 of those are from Valpo who finished dead last by a wide margin, i.e. nobody wanted them. Now that we're a few years into the NIL era, the Valley, WCC, A10 and AAC are AAA affiliates of the P5. Some kids like Heise are going to get called up, others like Duax needed to move down to have more success. Born got a check somewhere. Landon Wolf's Dad and Jake didn't get along. These are kids that might have stuck it out in the past that now have options to move. UNIs two portal commits, Ben Schwieger and Max Weisbrod, are probably steps up from Duax and Wolf.

The criticism of Jake is, and has always been, that he doesn't cast a very wide net in recruiting. He likes high school kids that come from affluent suburbs that played for coaches he knows or coaches that have fairly rigid systems. That strategy gives you a pretty high floor but also reduces your ceiling so unless he has an Adam Koch, Kwadzo Ahelegbe, Seth Tuttle, Jeremy Morgan, Wes Washpun, AJ Green, he's going to be a 19-13 type team that finishes 4th in the Valley. Not a horrible floor but it does get old. This is the first year that he's gone into the portal and gotten kids that he didn't have a previous relationship with so that's encouraging and shows growth.

The bright side is that in 4 months as the interim AD, Bob Bowlsby has gotten $7M in commitments for a basketball practice facility (UNI is the only Valley school that doesn't have one) and shovels should be in the ground by fall. He's embraced NIL and we have a fairly well funded collective for our league and that's only going to get better as time goes on. Francis is finally on his last legs so that is going to help with recruiting big time. The pool of AD candidates they got was deep and impressive and we'll hire a sitting DI AD in the coming days as Bob wants to be out by mid-May.

The Valley is what it's always been historically, the 8th to 11th best league in the country (finished 9th this year), but the gap to the P5 is just bigger because there is so much more money they can throw around. A kid like Kayden Fish could have come to a Valley level school and played big minutes but we don't have a prayer in offering the same kind of facilities, experience, resources and NIL dollars that he'll get being the 12th or 13th guy on a P5 roster and we're going to see more and more of that especially for kids that don't really have pro prospects. They're going to get to live the semi-pro lifestyle that the next tier just can't offer.

TL;DR: UNI isn't dead, it's just an adjustment/reset period while this level figures out what it is.
Not a Bowlsby fan at all for obvious/ various reasons, but think he could really help UNI out. What are the chances they could talk him into being more than temporary?
 

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Wonder how much a kid like Born will get? Must be something because he left. Weird that Harris seems to have left them in a bad spot. I’m sure wrestling isn’t thrilled with home either.

Kind of too bad, but the Valley just isn’t very good anymore. And seemingly the best players are now leaving. I personally love Cedar Falls. Great town. School finances mismanaged it seems.

A little more than UNI depending where he ends up. Probably get the standard $1500 a month which is what most mid major kids will get. The best mid major players can make 50k but usually those players leave to take 100k
 

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Like anything there is no one answer that leads to what's happened.

The biggest thing is the administrative disaster that was David Harris, he did incredible damage in 7 years and UNIs budget was less in real dollars when he left than when he got there. I'm 100% sure he's a nice guy and was great while doing the student services/non-public facing role that he had in Ames before getting the UNI job. The problem with that is that he isn't charismatic, he isn't personable and comes off as somewhere between arrogant and aloof and that doesn't inspire much confidence to donors. The three big projects that got completed while he was here were more in spite of him than because of him.

As for basketball specifically, I think this year is just UNIs turn to get hit and it's not unusual at the Valley level. 15 of the 16 all league guys from last year are gone, 23 of the top 25 scorers are gone, there are only 16 of 60 returning starters left right now and 5 of those are from Valpo who finished dead last by a wide margin, i.e. nobody wanted them. Now that we're a few years into the NIL era, the Valley, WCC, A10 and AAC are AAA affiliates of the P5. Some kids like Heise are going to get called up, others like Duax needed to move down to have more success. Born got a check somewhere. Landon Wolf's Dad and Jake didn't get along. These are kids that might have stuck it out in the past that now have options to move. UNIs two portal commits, Ben Schwieger and Max Weisbrod, are probably steps up from Duax and Wolf.

The criticism of Jake is, and has always been, that he doesn't cast a very wide net in recruiting. He likes high school kids that come from affluent suburbs that played for coaches he knows or coaches that have fairly rigid systems. That strategy gives you a pretty high floor but also reduces your ceiling so unless he has an Adam Koch, Kwadzo Ahelegbe, Seth Tuttle, Jeremy Morgan, Wes Washpun, AJ Green, he's going to be a 19-13 type team that finishes 4th in the Valley. Not a horrible floor but it does get old. This is the first year that he's gone into the portal and gotten kids that he didn't have a previous relationship with so that's encouraging and shows growth.

The bright side is that in 4 months as the interim AD, Bob Bowlsby has gotten $7M in commitments for a basketball practice facility (UNI is the only Valley school that doesn't have one) and shovels should be in the ground by fall. He's embraced NIL and we have a fairly well funded collective for our league and that's only going to get better as time goes on. Francis is finally on his last legs so that is going to help with recruiting big time. The pool of AD candidates they got was deep and impressive and we'll hire a sitting DI AD in the coming days as Bob wants to be out by mid-May.

The Valley is what it's always been historically, the 8th to 11th best league in the country (finished 9th this year), but the gap to the P5 is just bigger because there is so much more money they can throw around. A kid like Kayden Fish could have come to a Valley level school and played big minutes but we don't have a prayer in offering the same kind of facilities, experience, resources and NIL dollars that he'll get being the 12th or 13th guy on a P5 roster and we're going to see more and more of that especially for kids that don't really have pro prospects. They're going to get to live the semi-pro lifestyle that the next tier just can't offer.

TL;DR: UNI isn't dead, it's just an adjustment/reset period while this level figures out what it is.
How the hell did Harris parlay that to the Tulane job? If I remember correctly he was on the short list for Pollards replacement. Or maybe that was a convenient idea since supposedly they were tight.