Smoking ban at ISU
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Best quote I have ever seen when it comes to all these stupid laws.
Personal freedoms and liberties goodbye. Communistic Government and country... Welcome aboard.
Rep to you.
What? The home is the only legitimate place where secondhand smoke can be harmful, and of course I mean dangerous for those living with the smoker, children,etc. If the only place a smoker can smoke is in the home then they will be exposed to more of it? make sense?
FWIW he may have been under the limit, but he still made a bad decision for having any alcohol in him and driving 80+ on the interstate and not seeing a stalled vehicle.
Regardless, I'm way more concerned about people's civil liberty of drinking in public areas like tailgates then I am with the smoking. I had several incidents with drunken idoits this last year.
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If a smoker is that concered with his family (wife, child, cat, dog) then don't do it. You are just admitting that it is dangerous and harmful to people. Go outside, Go away from people. I do not smoke, but I agree outside is not as bad, and it does not bother me (but it does some). People need to show enough respect of others to keep the smoke away from others that do not want it around.
That's what I do actually. When I still had classes on campus, I wouldn't blow smoke it people's faces, wouldn't stand in the doorways of buildings, and many times would be next to the sidewalk instead of standing on it when I wasn't moving. How that really bothers anyone enough to be a problem is beyond me.
As someone who spent a fair amount of time at the smoker's table in front of Larch Hall (but very rarely smoke now) I'm curious where people are supposed to go to smoke. It's not easy to get to the sidewalk on Lincolnway but is that the only option? Also do they enforce the current 25 feet from doors ban during shows at the M Shop? There were always a bunch of people smoking there too.
I have to admit that I love nonsmoking bars now but banning it outdoors seems to go too far. There are studies that show that secondhand smoke indoors is harmful but I've seen nothing to indicate that there are any negative effects for outdoors. I understand that some people have asthma but people make choices about what activities they do and don't participate in every day based on how they affect their health. Car exhaust is much more of a factor for asthma than outdoor smoke but no one is banning them and there's no right to drive in the constitution either.
I have to admit that I love nonsmoking bars now but banning it outdoors seems to go too far. There are studies that show that secondhand smoke indoors is harmful but I've seen nothing to indicate that there are any negative effects for outdoors. I understand that some people have asthma but people make choices about what activities they do and don't participate in every day based on how they affect their health. Car exhaust is much more of a factor for asthma than outdoor smoke but no one is banning them and there's no right to drive in the constitution either.
Yes. It's all a conspiracy.
Soon, jackbooted liberals (!) will march down the street to take away all your cigarettes.
Then you'll have to swear upon the latest edition of the Village Voice fealty to the Communists.
This is a nation of laws. Freedom has always been limited by them. I am not free to kill people. I am not free to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. I am not free to take what is not mine. I am not free to pour gasoline on your house and light it.
It's not like the smoking ban was beamed into the legislators heads from outer space. This came from their constituents. They wouldn't pass it unless they thought they could do it without costing them votes. Therefore there is force of the majority will here.
I don't agree with banning smoking in wide open spaces. You should be able to light up between Curtiss and Beardshear. The 10 foot law is reasonable. Keeps people from walking through a dense cloud of smoke on the way out of the building. It's also enforceable.
Tailgates are a whole other matter. It's close quarters. But as has been stated here, is the cigarette smoke any worse than the firebomb that emanates from a freshly lit charcoal grill, or the smoke from grilling meats. I would have to say no.
I'm more for banning it in buildings where it makes sense and is enforceable.
Once again, I have to reiterate, there is no "right to smoke."
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The 25-foot ban, and the indoor smoking ban is something that I think everyone agrees (smokers and non-smokers) is fine and justifiable. The wide open areas piece of the law is what goes too far. I think I'm more likely to get punched in the face on my way to class than I am to get cancer from secondhand smoke while I'm on central campus.
Just a question though, does this law mean the Chica Shack has to close its doors? It's a bar purely for smoking flavored tobacco. I don't know any non-smoker that goes there for any reason, nor should they and then complain about the smoke in there.
Pathetic. People like you who view anyone who participates in different activiities than yourself as second class citizens are just pitiful. Lowest forms of life on Earth.
Maybe alot of smokers won't live as long as you whiny people. But you waste your whole life whining and ******** about other people anyway, so I doubt you will get any extra enjoyment out of those last couple years.
A pit of despair? I don't know about that. I can, however, tell you about many times that I was walking briskly along a sidewalk, enjoying the fresh air, when the person in front of me lit up. Every couple of steps I was getting a face full of smoke. As we were both walking the same quick pace, and (apparently) to the same destination, what was I supposed to do? Run to get ahead of them? Stand around until they're twenty feet ahead of me? Why should I be late just to accomodate them? I'm sorry, but being whacked in the face with second hand smoke does ruin the moment. And yes, it has happened far more than once.
I'll also point out that I know several former smokers who tell me, after they've stopped for some time, that they never realized while smoking just how much cigarette smoke reeks.
Specious argument. The parallel would be someone saying they have a right to walk into a private smoking club and not to smell smoke.
Asinine argument. The original poster would point out that smokers know that their habit is killing them. This is "accepted risk", the choice to smoke despite the known hazards. The problem is that when they do die, the health care costs are passed along to the rest of us when their insurance inevitably is insufficient. The original poster seemed to me to be saying, "If smokers want to smoke themselves into extinction, the sooner the better". Not what I'd agree with, but at least it's honest.
The solution? Stop ******** about your "right" to smoke, and stop smoking. Or never start. That's the whole point of the law in the first place.
I understand, I just wanted the information to be accurate. I lost three
friends in that accident, two of which were very close.
Yes, you seem to be full of tolerance and love towards others. :biglaugh: By the way, where was I whining about anything? I was just saying that if smokers want to kill themselves off 10-20 years ahead of nature, who am I to stand in their way? That's not whining, it's just wishful thinking. :wink:
Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for someone who enjoys the pleasure of stained fingers, yellow teeth, horrible breath, stinking clothes, hacking cough, decreased lung capacity, cancer, emphysema, etc.
Others I don't feel sorry for: alcoholics, drug addicts, porn addicts, adulterers. But you're right, these people are just choosing to participate in different activities from me. I guess I should respect what they do and embrace them as the diverse and wonderful people they are. Give me a break man.
we need to have our cake, and eat it too. this nation was founded on doing one thing, and having a bunch of tree hugger pansies say another. don't you guys see-you all need each other.
Where's the civility on this thread...."just wishful thinking"......I for one don't wish death upon others, especially for a legal activity.
Actually wishing for people to die early because they smoke is pretty low class. Do you hope all of the obese people die early too?
Seriously, your intolerance is what is wrong with this world. And yours is the worst kind...actually wishing death on people that do things you don't agree with.
I may not be full of love and tolerance for others, but I am doing a helluva lot better than someone such as yourself who wishes death upon others. Sorry, but I think its pathetic to wish death upon others because you don't like smoking.
Why would you feel sorry for alcoholics, drug users, porn addicts, or adulterers? I would imagine the vast majority in this group would feel sorry for you, as most of them are much, much kinder and better people than someone such as yourself who wishes death upon others who drink all the time or smoke or watch porn.
I would respect any of the groups you hate so much over someone who actively wishes death upon others for engaging in any of the above activitities.
I believe tobacconists and private clubs are exempt. It wouldn't make sense for a smoke shop to be smoke free.
Specious argument. The parallel would be someone saying they have a right to walk into a private smoking club and not to smell smoke.
How so? Seafood is served at many restaurants (not just seafood restaturants) and sold at every grocery store. Do I not have the right to go to grocery stores?
How so? Seafood is served at many restaurants (not just seafood restaturants) and sold at every grocery store. Do I not have the right to go to grocery stores?
