SMILEY FACE KILLERS

[marothisu]

How is the SFK theory any different than some of the theories on the Kennedy assassination or Area 51 for example?
People believe wholeheartedly in those theories and are entirely convinced that they are correct in their opinions. They offer just as much proof of their opinion as anyone has offered about the SF Killers.

You say that doubters need to "open your minds," and claim that the SFK theory is "not out of the realm of possibility." And yet when it comes to something like the fake moon landings or UFO's, you say that comparisons are "ridiculous." That sounds pretty closed minded to me. Aren't those theories in the "realm of possibility" as well?

Because most people who believe in the Kennedy assassination/Area 51 aren't actually experts in either of those fields, and the two people who made up SFK theory are experts in the field? Thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess it might be just a stab in the dark huh?


Let's see, which one is more believable. A serial killer or group of killers targets young college men and kills them, dumps them in bodies of water and puts a smiley face kind of near it as a "calling card" like pretty much all serial killers do

-OR- aliens crashed landed in Roswell and then we have their space ships and whatever at a random top secret base in Nevada.

Give me a break. They aren't even on the same level.

 

[LonoClone]

Because most people who believe in the Kennedy assassination/Area 51 aren't actually experts in either of those fields, and the two people who made up SFK theory are experts in the field? Thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess it might be just a stab in the dark huh

LOL. I will refer you to Climategate for a quick and easy rebuttal to that nonsense.

 

[CloneAbuse]

How is the SFK theory any different than some of the theories on the Kennedy assassination or Area 51 for example?
People believe wholeheartedly in those theories and are entirely convinced that they are correct in their opinions. They offer just as much proof of their opinion as anyone has offered about the SF Killers.

You say that doubters need to "open your minds," and claim that the SFK theory is "not out of the realm of possibility." And yet when it comes to something like the fake moon landings or UFO's, you say that comparisons are "ridiculous." That sounds pretty closed minded to me. Aren't those theories in the "realm of possibility" as well?

Well if the SFKs are a government plot to mislead the general public, then I guess you could compare them. A theory and a conpiracy are not one in the same. The investigators working on the SFK theory seem to employ forensic methodology to their theory, linking similar data from multiple instances to come to a conclusion.

 

[LonoClone]

Because most people who believe in the Kennedy assassination/Area 51 aren't actually experts in either of those fields, and the two people who made up SFK theory are experts in the field? Thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess it might be just a stab in the dark huh?


Let's see, which one is more believable. A serial killer or group of killers targets young college men and kills them, dumps them in bodies of water and puts a smiley face kind of near it as a "calling card" like pretty much all serial killers do

-OR- aliens crashed landed in Roswell and then we have their space ships and whatever at a random top secret base in Nevada.

Give me a break. They aren't even on the same level.

Says who? That's a pretty subjective call, there.

 

[LonoClone]

Because most people who believe in the Kennedy assassination/Area 51 aren't actually experts in either of those fields, and the two people who made up SFK theory are experts in the field? Thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess it might be just a stab in the dark huh?


Let's see, which one is more believable. A serial killer or group of killers targets young college men and kills them, dumps them in bodies of water and puts a smiley face kind of near it as a "calling card" like pretty much all serial killers do

-OR- aliens crashed landed in Roswell and then we have their space ships and whatever at a random top secret base in Nevada.

Give me a break. They aren't even on the same level.

Also, hasn't the FBI come out with a statement saying that the SFK theory is bogus, and that there is no real evidence to support links between the deaths?
Does the FBI not have experts?

 

[tman24]

Also, hasn't the FBI come out with a statement saying that the SFK theory is bogus, and that there is no real evidence to support links between the deaths?
Does the FBI not have experts?

Could be ex FBI agents do thing and they dont want word getting out. Its out there but possible.

 

[LonoClone]

Could be ex FBI agents do thing and they dont want word getting out. Its out there but possible.

Isn't that the same thing that UFO believers say?

 

[marothisu]

Isn't that the same thing that UFO believers say?

No, actually UFO believers say the opposite. They say something about "dis information" where agents actually come out and talk about UFOs. not saying "they don't exist", but actually pretending they are UFO believers and "I saw _____" and talk about it.


The reason why the FBI came out to say they think it's bogus is because of the alcohol relation in the cases that are claimed to be attributed to SFK. They say, there was alcohol in the blood, and that's why they were found in the body of water and not anything else.

 

[marothisu]

Says who? That's a pretty subjective call, there.

You're kidding right? Yes, aliens crashed at roswell or a serial killer or small group of serial killers is murdering young men.

Yeah, I wonder which one is more unbelievable. I'll go with the one about human nature for $500 alex. Oh wait, maybe that one is pretty obvious it could be true. If you really think nobody can get away with murder, you're living under a ******* rock and need to come out.


Aliens crashing is obviously unbelievable...people killing people happens everyday. Big whoop.

 

[MNclone]

There was a bit on the news up here last night about a college student that went missing. They just closed the case, parents didn't think that they should with the evidence that was out there. Mentioned the Smiley Face Killers as a possiblity.

 

[LonoClone]

You're kidding right? Yes, aliens crashed at roswell or a serial killer or small group of serial killers is murdering young men.

Yeah, I wonder which one is more unbelievable. I'll go with the one about human nature for $500 alex. Oh wait, maybe that one is pretty obvious it could be true. If you really think nobody can get away with murder, you're living under a ******* rock and need to come out.


Aliens crashing is obviously unbelievable...people killing people happens everyday. Big whoop.

To you it's unbelievable. But to many it is 100% fact.

And thank you for making my point. The way that you look at aliens crashing at Roswell, with incredulity, suspicion, and disbelief is exactly how I, and lots of other folks look at your funny little Smiley Face Killer tale. Take a step back, hermano. You're going to trip right over that logic of yours.

 

[marothisu]

To you it's unbelievable. But to many it is 100% fact.

And thank you for making my point. The way that you look at aliens crashing at Roswell, with incredulity, suspicion, and disbelief is exactly how I, and lots of other folks look at your funny little Smiley Face Killer tale. Take a step back, hermano. You're going to trip right over that logic of yours.

Anyone who actually knows me knows I'm someone who needs a *lot* of proof OR logical thinking before I believe anything FWIW.

Just because I may think SFK is logical, does not mean I think anything else like this is logical.

 

[LonoClone]

Anyone who actually knows me knows I'm someone who needs a *lot* of proof OR logical thinking before I believe anything FWIW.

Just because I may think SFK is logical, does not mean I think anything else like this is logical.

Well, good for the people who actually know you, I guess. :skeptical:
You sound like a heck of guy.

 

[CloneAbuse]

No, actually UFO believers say the opposite. They say something about "dis information" where agents actually come out and talk about UFOs. not saying "they don't exist", but actually pretending they are UFO believers and "I saw _____" and talk about it.


The reason why the FBI came out to say they think it's bogus is because of the alcohol relation in the cases that are claimed to be attributed to SFK. They say, there was alcohol in the blood, and that's why they were found in the body of water and not anything else.

The FBI didn't say it was bogus, the release from their website reads as follows:

"Over the past several years, law enforcement and the FBI have received information about young, college-aged men who were found deceased in rivers in the Midwest. The FBI has reviewed the information about the victims provided by two retired police detectives, who have dubbed these incidents the “Smiley Face Murders,â€￾ and interviewed an individual who provided information to the detectives. To date, we have not developed any evidence to support links between these tragic deaths or any evidence substantiating the theory that these deaths are the work of a serial killer or killers. The vast majority of these instances appear to be alcohol-related drownings. The FBI will continue to work with the local police in the affected areas to provide support as requested,â€￾ said Supervisory Special Agent Richard J. Kolko, Washington, D.C"

This makes some sense. They say that they will continue to work with local law enforcement in the affected areas. My guess is, they do listen to and pay attention to what the two investigators are doing and uncovering, if anything. If that weren't the case, the investigators who have already acknowledged that their funding is gone, would likely have to give up on their theory.

I thought I read somewhere that the FBI was called in to Ames early with this missing person case.

 

[LonoClone]

The FBI didn't say it was bogus, the release from their website reads as follows:

"Over the past several years, law enforcement and the FBI have received information about young, college-aged men who were found deceased in rivers in the Midwest. The FBI has reviewed the information about the victims provided by two retired police detectives, who have dubbed these incidents the “Smiley Face Murders,â€￾ and interviewed an individual who provided information to the detectives. To date, we have not developed any evidence to support links between these tragic deaths or any evidence substantiating the theory that these deaths are the work of a serial killer or killers. The vast majority of these instances appear to be alcohol-related drownings. The FBI will continue to work with the local police in the affected areas to provide support as requested,â€￾ said Supervisory Special Agent Richard J. Kolko, Washington, D.C"

This makes some sense. They say that they will continue to work with local law enforcement in the affected areas. My guess is, they do listen to and pay attention to what the two investigators are doing and uncovering, if anything. If that weren't the case, the investigators who have already acknowledged that their funding is gone, would likely have to give up on their theory.

I thought I read somewhere that the FBI was called in to Ames early with this missing person case.

I guess you must have a different interpretation of the bolded section than I do.

 

[marothisu]

I think the main thing is the FBI hasn't actually investigated in that capacity. They are most likely looking for different things (i.e. signs of accidental alcohol-induced drowning). Usually if you are going to link these things together, you have to actually put forth an effort to link them together.

This is how I interpret it..they don't have any evidence because they didn't either collect any evidence or...they haven't actually done an investigation (which is money of course) to see if there's any linking.

 

[JY07]

Anyone who actually knows me knows I'm someone who needs a *lot* of proof OR logical thinking before I believe anything FWIW.

Just because I may think SFK is logical, does not mean I think anything else like this is logical.

Maroth, I'm impressed... i don't know how you find time to investigate these completely valid serial killer theories between dating chicago super models

 

[CloneAbuse]

I guess you must have a different interpretation of the bolded section than I do.

it says to date...inferring that it's an dynamic situation. They then say that the will CONTINUE to work with local law enforcement to provide support.

This is prudent on their part. They don't feed into a frenzy, they appear to be passive. If the theory is ultimately proven to be wrong, they have no credibility loss, if they are provided with the necessary forensic evidence at some point in the future they've kept the door open.

How often have you seen a press release from the FBI admitting...sure we have a serial killer on the loose, nothing to worry about folks, we've got it under control, go about your own business and don't worry about the killer we're trying to apprehend...that's not how they operate. It's a bureaucracy.

 

[marothisu]

Maroth, I'm impressed... i don't know how you find time to investigate these completely valid serial killer theories between dating chicago super models

Learn something about the modeling industry. You don't have to be a model to get in an FHM-like magazine. Super models do haute couture, not an FHM-like magazine. Big difference. She also isn't from Chicago but nice try.


This is also completely off-point. We are discussing *smiley face killers*.

 

[LonoClone]

it says to date...inferring that it's an dynamic situation. They then say that the will CONTINUE to work with local law enforcement to provide support.

This is prudent on their part. They don't feed into a frenzy, they appear to be passive. If the theory is ultimately proven to be wrong, they have no credibility loss, if they are provided with the necessary forensic evidence at some point in the future they've kept the door open.

How often have you seen a press release from the FBI admitting...sure we have a serial killer on the loose, nothing to worry about folks, we've got it under control, go about your own business and don't worry about the killer we're trying to apprehend...that's not how they operate. It's a bureaucracy.

"To date?" I really hope the SFK believers aren't hitching their wagons to that phrase.

To date, the FBI has found no evidence that monkeys can play the trombone.
To date, the FBI has found no link between marshmallows and head lice.
To date, the FBI has found no correlation between the migration of geese and midday traffic patterns on the eastern seaboard.