SMILEY FACE KILLERS

[marothisu]

Sure, but that's not setting the bar very high.

lol yeah well my main point is, putting an SFK theory on the same page as UFOs, bigfoot, and the loch ness monster is just stupid.

If you're really dealing with a serial killer, they love their "work" and they will do things like this. Go out of their way to target a specific group of people in a certain geography and have their deaths the exact same.

 

[jaretac]

I"m not bashing people who think otherwise...however, with the Abel case, they actually did find the "smiley face" in a sewer pipe leading to the lake or whatever.

That is about a circumstantial as you get. I know where his body was found and from what you are describing that smiley face would of had to been a good 100 or more yards away that may or may not have been there before the death.

 

[marothisu]

That is about a circumstantial as you get. I know where his body was found and from what you are describing that smiley face would of had to been a good 100 or more yards away that may or may not have been there before the death.

I'm aware of it too, although I'm going to leave it up to detectives who work in the field or have worked in the field for a long time no matter what their stance is on it before anybody on here, including myself.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Two days after Kapfer was reported missing, a La Crosse resident told police that he had witnessed a young man, in his late teens or early 20s, standing on the east side of the Cass Street Bridge and staring into the water, ``oblivious to the rest of the world around him.'' This occurred about 1 p.m., before Kapfer was cited by police, and the witness couldn't identify the man on the bridge as Kapfer.

Footprints At The River's Edge: 02/22/98: Nathan Kapfer, 19, La Crosse, WI

 

[tazclone]

That is about a circumstantial as you get. I know where his body was found and from what you are describing that smiley face would of had to been a good 100 or more yards away that may or may not have been there before the death.

Yeah, but how close is it to where the body was dumped?

 

[jaretac]

Yeah, but how close is it to where the body was dumped?

Who knows, which is why it is very circumstantial. If the smiley was put on by street chalk, there might be something to it, otherwise there is no way to connect it.

 

[CyPhy]

Could you give us a link that proves there's a smiley face near by all of these occurrences? All I have seen proven is there was one, and only one, and that was in Ames.... and who's to say that wasn't already there prior to the death

Footprints At The River's Edge

 

[CyPhy]

Does anyone have a link to the article from the Iowa State Daily that was posted a while back? The one where the reporter took the investigators on a tour of Ames and they found the smily face by lake Laverne?

It was written by Danielle Duggan, who I believe still works for the Ames Tribune:

Smiley Face Killers: Abel Bolanos Ames, IA - Smiley Face Killers

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Footprints At The River's Edge

I read through most of that site today. Wierd to say the least. It was like they all vanished out of thin air and ended up drowning. Almost like their is a supernatural serial killer on the loose.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

I have a hard time figuring out how the logistics of this type of serial killer are possible. With how many potential murders there are, I just can't believe there weren't more close calls. Somebody seeing somebody being abducted or walking up on a crime scene. Or bodies with more trauma or even somebody who was able to fight and get away.

I understand the potential to drug the victims, but that has a whole new set of issues. The victims often seem to be out with friends before leaving. It seems like the killer would have to know they were going to leave alone to be able to drug them in the bar. And it seems like one of the times, the group of friends would be able to point out somebody strange that was hanging around.

It just seems like such a difficult murder to pull off, and then to do it over and over again makes me skeptical.

 

[marothisu]

I have a hard time figuring out how the logistics of this type of serial killer are possible. With how many potential murders there are, I just can't believe there weren't more close calls. Somebody seeing somebody being abducted or walking up on a crime scene. Or bodies with more trauma or even somebody who was able to fight and get away.

I understand the potential to drug the victims, but that has a whole new set of issues. The victims often seem to be out with friends before leaving. It seems like the killer would have to know they were going to leave alone to be able to drug them in the bar. And it seems like one of the times, the group of friends would be able to point out somebody strange that was hanging around.

It just seems like such a difficult murder to pull off, and then to do it over and over again makes me skeptical.

Uh...have you ever SEEN a drunk college kid? It's not hard to push them around or manipulate them. Most everyone was drunk/coming from a party/coming from a bar. People are VERY weak when they are drunk and I highly doubt some serial killer is going to just guess at who's drunk. They probably follow them around, see oh yeah he's had a lot to drink. Even if you're a black belt in a martial art, you're probably going to have a hard time if you are already plastered. Most people can't even walk straight while drunk, how do you expect them to fight back well?

You are also assuming that if a serial killer is following a person they picked for the night that they will always 100% follow through with it. Even if they do leave with friends, they usually don't go home with each other. I spent 4 years at ISU going to parties and bars...yeah sure I left with friends, then a block later I walked by myself home.

 

[jmb]

Who knows, which is why it is very circumstantial. If the smiley was put on by street chalk, there might be something to it, otherwise there is no way to connect it.

My guess is that there is probably more than a simple 'smiley face' connecting these murders together.

 

[Ms3r4ISU]

FYI: A bit long.

One hesitation I have with things like this, and it's probably a result of reading so many murder/crime fiction novels, is that it's so much easier to try to use existing clues, evidence, facts, etc. and fit them into a preconceived idea of what happened. Our subconscious wants to make sense of what we don't understand, and we usually look to the least complicated theories first. It's human nature, and that doesn't mean it's wrong. Law enforcement folks have the same kind of reactions, but because of training, education and experience, can seem to we laypeople as not caring or not knowing what to do with the "evidence."

It's scary to admit that we don't know what happened, or why, or how, because in our minds that lack of knowledge puts us at risk. We want answers, and we want them now. Because most of us are, truly, naive, about how clues and evidence, etc. can work together, we formulate our own thoughts about what's happened and don't understand why the law people don't understand us.

This, in a nutshell, is why I like (and at the same time roll my eyes at) Cold Case. There is a solution to every criminal case. And sometimes, long after the fact, that solution is found.

 

[jaretac]

My guess is that there is probably more than a simple 'smiley face' connecting these murders together.

from what someone else said the smiley found at ISU was different from the other ones found.

 

[cloneluke80]

Sorry guys, but this stuff is creepy and something has got to be going on:

• 1/17/10: Sylvester McCurry, 18, Superior, WI
• 1/19/10: Eric Peterson, 24, Lakeville, MN
• 1/22/10: Jon Lacina, 21, Ames, IA

All still missing right now!


Then the past cases of
Jacob Hobson
Abel Bolanos
and
paul shuman-moore (Grinnell)

Are just plain too odd to me...


Call it Cold Case/CSI whimsical stuff, but I dont watch any of that crap and have been watching this Smiley Face stuff for a while.

Also back in 2003 in campustown, my roommate had a creepy experience getting something slipped in his drink by some odd dudes. At the time I dismissed it as being meant for some girl, but now I am thinking he may have dodged a bullet...

 

[aauummm]

Also back in 2003 in campustown, my roommate had a creepy experience getting something slipped in his drink by some odd dudes. At the time I dismissed it as being meant for some girl, but now I am thinking he may have dodged a bullet...

I'm sure the police would be interested in any information that you could give them regarding the "odd dudes" and the situation.

 

[tazclone]

Who knows, which is why it is very circumstantial. If the smiley was put on by street chalk, there might be something to it, otherwise there is no way to connect it.

So tell me how the guy was able to predict when and where a killing was going to happen. One of the guys predicted a killing around April 1st in Green Bay to complete the backwards cross. And one happened on the 4th in Green Bay. That is just creepy.

And the smiley face has always been at the site where the body was found. It has been close (100 yards is close) or has been at a spot wher ethe body could have been dumped.

Of course, it is circumstantial. Nobody can prove anything but there are a lot of things that make it pretty damn creepy and make you go hmmm. Especially the guy predicting when and where.

 

[jaretac]

So tell me how the guy was able to predict when and where a killing was going to happen. One of the guys predicted a killing around April 1st in Green Bay to complete the backwards cross. And one happened on the 4th in Green Bay. That is just creepy.

And the smiley face has always been at the site where the body was found. It has been close (100 yards is close) or has been at a spot wher ethe body could have been dumped.

Of course, it is circumstantial. Nobody can prove anything but there are a lot of things that make it pretty damn creepy and make you go hmmm. Especially the guy predicting when and where.

I didn't say that SFK didn't exist. I'm just saying that the evidence connecting them to either ISU disappearances is weak at best.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Uh...have you ever SEEN a drunk college kid? It's not hard to push them around or manipulate them. Most everyone was drunk/coming from a party/coming from a bar. People are VERY weak when they are drunk and I highly doubt some serial killer is going to just guess at who's drunk. They probably follow them around, see oh yeah he's had a lot to drink. Even if you're a black belt in a martial art, you're probably going to have a hard time if you are already plastered. Most people can't even walk straight while drunk, how do you expect them to fight back well?

You are also assuming that if a serial killer is following a person they picked for the night that they will always 100% follow through with it. Even if they do leave with friends, they usually don't go home with each other. I spent 4 years at ISU going to parties and bars...yeah sure I left with friends, then a block later I walked by myself home.

I probably should have been more clear that I can believe in one or a few cases happening. It's just when I'm seeing numbers like 40-80 cases being linked, it's hard for me to believe that each and every one of them could happen in the way people are describing without a few of them giving more clues then there seem to be.

 

[CyPhy]

I have a hard time figuring out how the logistics of this type of serial killer are possible. With how many potential murders there are, I just can't believe there weren't more close calls. Somebody seeing somebody being abducted or walking up on a crime scene. Or bodies with more trauma or even somebody who was able to fight and get away.

I understand the potential to drug the victims, but that has a whole new set of issues. The victims often seem to be out with friends before leaving. It seems like the killer would have to know they were going to leave alone to be able to drug them in the bar. And it seems like one of the times, the group of friends would be able to point out somebody strange that was hanging around.

It just seems like such a difficult murder to pull off, and then to do it over and over again makes me skeptical.

There have probably been many survivors. But again, by the nature of this "almost perfect" crime, the victims have antegrade amnesia. Antegrade amnesia is probably caused by the "mickey" that they have been slipped when they are drinking. I think the
"mickeys" are probably GHB, PCP, or LSD. Here are links to 2 recent probable failed SFK attempts.

Footprints At The River's Edge: Fargo teen hospitalized after being found in subzero temps

Missing college student found - Buffalo.YNN.com

Note that Jacob Eichelberger was found without his coat and shoes...in Fargo...in January. PCP and LSD have the side effect of making people feel unbearably warm, to the point of stripping off their clothes. As far as I am aware, GHB does not have quite the same effect on body temperature. But these SFK people have been doing this a lot, have had lots of practice, and probably share their tips and tricks with each other. My hunch is that they actually use a blend of psychotropic meds...maybe some GHB spiked with LSD or PCP. Since their victims are usually males between 150 and 180 pounds, the dose is pretty much always the same.

If you watch the video of Josh Szostak coming out of the bar, you note that he does the same thing. He's struggling to do everything he can to take his coat and shirt off, in December...in Albany, NY!

Josh Szostak - The Video | Smiley Face Killers