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NCAA should institute a new rule. Whenever an athlete complains about compensation or not getting paid, they should take away his scholarship to show him how blessed he is and what a normal student is like! That will teach him! Then they should take that money and give the coaches and AD a raise as they are the only ones who truly care about the welfare of student-athletes.
 

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I think his comments were not so much personal as much as being a voice for the other players on the team. He wanted to go out with a bang as an advocate for the players.
 

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This is the most worn out argument there is. College players know exactly what they're getting into. I played baseball for free in college. I woke up every day knowing I was blessed to be getting higher education at no cost when I knew some of my friends were struggling to pay their bills.

I suppose we should pay kids that sing in the choir in college too, right? I mean they make the university money off of ticket sales.


HA! If only. Yep, all that money off of the ticket sales from the tens of thousands of people who go to choir concerts. Not to mention all of that merchandise that people buy.. Choir t-shirts, mugs, flags.. boy oh boy, tons and tons of money for the university.

Give me a break.

There's a reason they're referred to as "revenue generating sports".

How much, exactly, do you feel these scholarships are worth, commensurate to the amount of money generated from these athlete's level of play? Especially in a time when the value of any old college degree is rapidly dropping?
 

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I was paid $1167 a month when I was in grad school at Mizzou. Out of this, I had to pay for rent, utilities (had to have cable), car payment, gas money, insurance, beer money, food and entertainment.

Do you know what happened to me in grad school? I GOT FAT.
 

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I was paid $1167 a month when I was in grad school at Mizzou. Out of this, I had to pay for rent, utilities (had to have cable), car payment, gas money, insurance, beer money, food and entertainment.

Do you know what happened to me in grad school? I GOT FAT.

Did your grad program involve almost daily multiple hour strenuous exercise?
 

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The point being, I didn't starve. I would be willing to bet that I had much less at my disposal for food than Shabazz.

I walked to campus most days. Unfortunately, I also did a lot of 16 oz curls.
 

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So last year, with books and a dorm meal plan, it cost right around $ 20,000.00 to send my daughter to ISU. If these players are getting that for free, plus health insurance etc, I'd say they are being fairly compensated. On the 5 year (redshirt) plan, their package is worth probably close to $150,000.00.
 

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So last year, with books and a dorm meal plan, it cost right around $ 20,000.00 to send my daughter to ISU. If these players are getting that for free, plus health insurance etc, I'd say they are being fairly compensated. On the 5 year (redshirt) plan, their package is worth probably close to $150,000.00.

I was starting to feel good about what we've already put away for my daughter's college until I read this. I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.
 

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So last year, with books and a dorm meal plan, it cost right around $ 20,000.00 to send my daughter to ISU. If these players are getting that for free, plus health insurance etc, I'd say they are being fairly compensated. On the 5 year (redshirt) plan, their package is worth probably close to $150,000.00.


Just to play devil's advocate here.. unless my math is wrong, that comes out to just above current minimum wage levels, and below the president's proposed new federal minimum wage level.

$20,000 sure sounds like a lot (and it is when it is a bill), but when that is your yearly compensation for what is essentially a full-time job, it doesn't look like such a cushy package.

Can people not at least admit that there is some inequity between a coach that gets paid Millions and an athlete that gets compensated with state school tuition?
 

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So, let me get this straight.......we are actually supposed to believe that a Division I school, or even a Division III school that just won a national championship......allows its athletes to be malnourished. Yeah......okay.
 

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Just to play devil's advocate here.. unless my math is wrong, that comes out to just above current minimum wage levels, and below the president's proposed new federal minimum wage level.

$20,000 sure sounds like a lot (and it is when it is a bill), but when that is your yearly compensation for what is essentially a full-time job, it doesn't look like such a cushy package.

Can people not at least admit that there is some inequity between a coach that gets paid Millions and an athlete that gets compensated with state school tuition?

But what are the athletes expenses? Sure he has some, but not nearly as many as the average college student.
 

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Nobody is forcing these guys to play college sports. They seem to have the attitude that is their right to play. The NBA doesn't force these guys to play in college. All the NBA asks is that they be of a certain age.

If you don't like the rules, you don't have to play the game!
 

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But what are the athletes expenses? Sure he has some, but not nearly as many as the average college student.

Are you referring to non-class related things, or do you just mean books, lab fees, etc?

Outside of college I would imagine things would be pretty similar. I'm sure the university doesn't pay for gas or insurance if they have a car (or if they do, they probably aren't supposed to).
 

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Are you referring to non-class related things, or do you just mean books, lab fees, etc?

Outside of college I would imagine things would be pretty similar. I'm sure the university doesn't pay for gas or insurance if they have a car (or if they do, they probably aren't supposed to).

But they do get a weekly/monthly stipend for food, rent, other things. I realize the system isnt perfect, and I do realize some change needs to happen, but like many have said, I have a hard time feeling bad for these athletes. I know if I got the treatment they get, I wouldnt complain one bit.
 

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Nobody is forcing these guys to play college sports. They seem to have the attitude that is their right to play. The NBA doesn't force these guys to play in college. All the NBA asks is that they be of a certain age.

If you don't like the rules, you don't have to play the game!

Where does anybody have the attitude that it is their "right to play". This isn't a question of playing time or getting on a roster.

And if they don't play college sports, what are their options? Play rec-league ball for a year? They can't go to do the D-League, there is no minor league NBA, and then their only option is to move overseas and try to get an international contract, which would then prevent them from coming back because they NBA says they have to finish out their contract there.

In my mind, if they want to play basketball professionally in the United States, that pretty much means they have to go to college.
 

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They can't go to do the D-League
Since when? Glen Rice Jr. went NBDL when he got kicked out of school and before he was eligible for NBA.

Edit: Checking my assumptions, Glen Rice Jr. would have been eligible for the draft either way (he was a junior at the time), but I also checked and the D-League still has only an age requirement of 18, no restrictions regarding previous college play.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2407522
 
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Nobody is forcing these guys to play college sports. They seem to have the attitude that is their right to play. The NBA doesn't force these guys to play in college. All the NBA asks is that they be of a certain age.

If you don't like the rules, you don't have to play the game!

Bingo.

The fact everyone ignores is that none of them are picking the D League or Europe route. They weigh their options, and say that playing for an elite college (or getting perks at UNLV) is a better business decision than a year of non-NBA pro basketball. It's as if people think European teams, the D League and other smaller pro leagues would reject having Wiggins for a season…they wouldn't…at all.

As an NBA fan I want the one and done rule to stay. As an ISU fan with Hoiberg as coach I'd love to see it go bye bye because I think Fred would build his dynasty that much quicker.
 

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