SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

[FriendlySpartan]

ESPN isn’t going to be shilling for 8-4 Iowa over 10-2 BYU.

But yeah, of course Sankey thinks he’ll get more. He’s probably right.

It’s not the SEC part of this that pisses everyone off. As annoying as their propaganda is, they’ve won a lot. The Big 10 gets put in that tier because large population/big brand schools, while the bulk of the league could be swapped out with ACC and Big 12 teams and see no change to the TV value or overall quality.

Check around with the level of push back the SEC has gotten and how much joy people took in their fall last couple years. Obv I have a bias but I think you really underestimate the SEC hate.

It’s mainly due to espn shilling them non stop and not declaring that they have a vested influence in making them appear to be as great as possible.

 

[cykadelic2]

Btw you keep bringing up this computer ranking which I believe has been proven not to exist. Are you still basing this off that Reddit post or did you find something more substantial?

I am referencing the composite of the six BCS computer rankings which can serve as a sanity check to what the Committee does. Below is the Top 25 of the composite ranking as of last December after the CCGs were played (CFP rank in parentheses)

If this was used instead of the Committee rankings, Bama would have got in instead of Tennessee (who did beat Bama so the Committee was justified there IMO) and ASU would have been seeded ahead of Boise and played in PHX (Committee had absolutely no justification seeding Boise ahead of ASU).

And this also illustrates the advantage that SEC and ACC teams get by playing their 8 game conference schedules. Clemson, Miami FL and Ole Miss all likely get ranked below BYU if they did as half of the SEC and ACC are guaranteed to incur another loss which negatively impacts the computer rankings of those 3 teams.

And this also illustrates that Margin of Victory factors are overly weighted in the computer rankings, especially to the benefit of SMU and Indiana last season.

1 Oregon (1)
2 Georgia (2)
3 Notre Dame (5)
4 Ohio St (6)
5 Texas (3)
6 Penn St (4)
7 Indiana (8)
8 Alabama (11)
9 Arizona St (12)
10 SMU (10)
11 Tennessee (7)
12 South Carolina (15)
13 Boise St (9)
14 Clemson (16)
15 Miami FL (13)
16 Mississippi (14)
17 BYU (17)
18 Iowa St (18)
19 LSU (NR)
20 Missouri (19)
21 Michigan (NR)
22 Louisville (NR)
23 Colorado (23)
24 Illinois (20)
25 Army (22)

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I am referencing the composite of the six BCS computer rankings which can serve as a sanity check to what the Committee does. Below is the Top 25 of the composite ranking as of last December after the CCGs were played (CFP rank in parentheses)

If this was used instead of the Committee rankings, Bama would have got in instead of Tennessee (who did beat Bama so the Committee was justified there IMO) and ASU would have been seeded ahead of Boise and played in PHX (Committee had absolutely no justification seeding Boise ahead of ASU).

And this also illustrates the advantage that SEC and ACC teams get by playing their 8 game conference schedules. Clemson, Miami FL and Ole Miss all likely get ranked below BYU if they did as half of the SEC and ACC are guaranteed to incur another loss which negatively impacts the computer rankings of those 3 teams.

And this also illustrates that Margin of Victory factors are overly weighted in the computer rankings, especially to the benefit of SMU and Indiana last season.

1 Oregon (1)
2 Georgia (2)
3 Notre Dame (5)
4 Ohio St (6)
5 Texas (3)
6 Penn St (4)
7 Indiana (8)
8 Alabama (11)
9 Arizona St (12)
10 SMU (10)
11 Tennessee (7)
12 South Carolina (15)
13 Boise St (9)
14 Clemson (16)
15 Miami FL (13)
16 Mississippi (14)
17 BYU (17)
18 Iowa St (18)
19 LSU (NR)
20 Missouri (19)
21 Michigan (NR)
22 Louisville (NR)
23 Colorado (23)
24 Illinois (20)
25 Army (22)

No I get that but you keep bringing up computer rankings influencing the committee and that’s not what this is nor has the group ever said they use any computer rankings. Get your thoughts on the BCS though although I’m fine with what we have for the expanded

 

[Gonzo]

ESPN isn’t going to be shilling for 8-4 Iowa over 10-2 BYU.

But yeah, of course Sankey thinks he’ll get more. He’s probably right.

It’s not the SEC part of this that pisses everyone off. As annoying as their propaganda is, they’ve won a lot. The Big 10 gets put in that tier because large population/big brand schools, while the bulk of the league could be swapped out with ACC and Big 12 teams and see no change to the TV value or overall quality.

Agree. But there are a lot of programs in the B1G and SEC who, if they finish 9-3, ESPN will shill for over a 2-loss Big 12 team.

 

[Al_4_State]

Check around with the level of push back the SEC has gotten and how much joy people took in their fall last couple years. Obv I have a bias but I think you really underestimate the SEC hate.

It’s mainly due to espn shilling them non stop and not declaring that they have a vested influence in making them appear to be as great as possible.

I hate the SEC. I’d imagine most here do.

But over the last 20 years, they’ve won more than anyone else and have had less mediocrity than the Big 10.

I can’t speak for others, but I hate putting the Big 10 on the SEC’s level because I’ve seen so many Big 10 schools piddle along in mediocrity without a care in the world because Ohio State and Michigan have been perfectly content to let them suckle at the teat without contributing, while we’re in an endless existential battle to just be allowed to ******* exist.

The SEC propaganda is awful, and has had a huge negative impact on the sport. But their unquestioned position of safety has been earned on the field. The Big 10’s power is extracted mostly from raw populations.

The Big 10’s catbird seat feels more unfair to outsiders.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I hate the SEC. I’d imagine most here do.

But over the last 20 years, they’ve won more than anyone else and have had less mediocrity than the Big 10.

I can’t speak for others, but I hate putting the Big 10 on the SEC’s level because I’ve seen so many Big 10 schools piddle along in mediocrity without a care in the world because Ohio State and Michigan have been perfectly content to let them suckle at the teat without contributing, while we’re in an endless existential battle to just be allowed to ******* exist.

The SEC propaganda is awful, and has had a huge negative impact on the sport. But their unquestioned position of safety has been earned on the field. The Big 10’s power is extracted mostly from raw populations.

The Big 10’s catbird seat feels more unfair to outsiders.

I mean the SEC just focuses on Bama and Georgia so it’s kinda the same thing but I get your point. Since the playoffs started they still have 6 nattys, double the big ten and triple the ACC so the point stands.

Now that the bagmen are out in the open and the SEC cheating isn’t as hard to overcome things will be way more balanced. Plus hopefully they will finally move to a 9 game conference schedule because getting to play 8 games in the BCS was the peak of BS.

 

[cykadelic2]

No I get that but you keep bringing up computer rankings influencing the committee and that’s not what this is nor has the group ever said they use any computer rankings. Get your thoughts on the BCS though although I’m fine with what we have for the expanded

Sure they influence the Committee to some extent and they reference various computer rankings available to help formulate their rankings although they don't publicly acknowledge how so. And that is reflected in the alignment (with the notable exception of ASU/Boise) between the final Committee rankings and the composite rankings I previously posted.

 

[Gonzo]

I mean the SEC just focuses on Bama and Georgia so it’s kinda the same thing but I get your point. Since the playoffs started they still have 6 nattys, double the big ten and triple the ACC so the point stands.

Now that the bagmen are out in the open and the SEC cheating isn’t as hard to overcome things will be way more balanced. Plus hopefully they will finally move to a 9 game conference schedule because getting to play 8 games in the BCS was the peak of BS.

All of this. B1G has been better for going on 3 years now.

 

[goody2012]

I mean the SEC just focuses on Bama and Georgia so it’s kinda the same thing but I get your point. Since the playoffs started they still have 6 nattys, double the big ten and triple the ACC so the point stands.

Now that the bagmen are out in the open and the SEC cheating isn’t as hard to overcome things will be way more balanced. Plus hopefully they will finally move to a 9 game conference schedule because getting to play 8 games in the BCS was the peak of BS.

Who is forcing the Big Ten and Big 12 to play 9 conference games?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Who is forcing the Big Ten and Big 12 to play 9 conference games?

Some conferences just do things the right way lol

 

[MountainManHawk]

Some conferences just do things the right way lol

They did it for money, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Someday it’s going to be 12 conference games (or 10 with the other 2 being some sort of scheduling agreement with the SEC) and it’s going to be because the TV partners offer to pay more for that.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They did it for money, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Someday it’s going to be 12 conference games (or 10 with the other 2 being some sort of scheduling agreement with the SEC) and it’s going to be because the TV partners offer to pay more for that.

That is slander good sir, accurate slander but slander none the same! It was mainly to accommodate Maryland and Rutgers which basically means money

I could see going to more conference games but that would mean the G5 dies immediately if that happens

 

[Al_4_State]

Who is forcing the Big Ten and Big 12 to play 9 conference games?

Fox and ESPN?

 

[goody2012]

Fox and ESPN?

Both conferences are more than welcome to accept less money and go back to 8 games. If they're not willing to do that quit complaining.

 

[ClubCy]

Both conferences are more than welcome to accept less money and go back to 8 games. If they're not willing to do that quit complaining.

Huh?

 

[goody2012]

Huh?

Let me know what you don't understand and I'll explain

 

[ClubCy]

Let me know what you don't understand and I'll explain

Looking at your past posts on playoff format you seem to advocate for the 5+11 but also don’t seem to care that conferences play a different amount of conference/power 4 games which gives an advantage to certain teams and skews data points when selecting said teams.

So I guess to reiterate in your whole premise ….huh?

 

[goody2012]

Looking at your past posts on playoff format you seem to advocate for the 5+11 but also don’t seem to care that conferences play a different amount of conference/power 4 games which gives an advantage to certain teams and skews data points when selecting said teams.

So I guess to reiterate in your whole premise ….huh?

Let me know what's stopping the Big 12 and Big 10 from going back to 8 games, which is entirely within the rules of the system we currently have

 

[Clonedogg]

Let me know what you don't understand and I'll explain

I think people are confused on how a SEC shill ended up on CF. Please explain.

 

[goody2012]

I think people are confused on how a SEC shill ended up on CF. Please explain.

Apologies for my ability to rationally think about things even if it goes against my rooting interest...