Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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How does being a P5 help with research grants? Many of the top research grant recipients aren’t even D1 football.
Unless he means faculty who write the proposals for the grants? Would some of our top faculty leave to go to a school with P5 sports? Lots are college sports fans.
BTW - three Big Ten deans are on campus tomorrow for a grant meeting - ISU is well known to other Big Ten schools.
 

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Not exactly sure.
ISU seems to be right up there in top 50 in viewership. I’m not sure how much of that is related to playing Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa. These are numbers from 2015-2019. 2020 isn’t included.

UT? Not much since one of their games was a 0 in the numbers. That sucks it down pretty hard.
 

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How does being a P5 help with research grants? Many of the top research grant recipients aren’t even D1 football.

It doesn’t for most schools but football success has indirectly impacted Alabama’s academic reputation with more students applying there from non traditional areas and alumni support. It lends visibility and credibility to large state universities. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins etc are in an entirely different category.
 
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Not exactly sure.
Unless he means faculty who write the proposals for the grants? Would some of our top faculty leave to go to a school with P5 sports? Lots are college sports fans.
BTW - three Big Ten deans are on campus tomorrow for a grant meeting - ISU is well known to other Big Ten schools.
I think it more shows he doesn’t know what he’s talking about in that regards. I don’t think faculty would leave a school for football, especially if their emphasis is research. They would stick with the successful research grant schools.
 
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Not exactly sure.
It doesn’t for most schools but football success has indirectly impacted Alabama’s academic reputation with more students applying there from non traditional areas and alumni support. It lends visibility and credibility to large state universities. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins etc are in an entirely different category.
Students are not research though. They ones in the advanced degrees may do some, but the faculty are the main ones responsible for the grants and research.
 

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Well that's pretty sobering...

"Of course, even the hint of an alliance is a bad sign for the Big 12. It signals that the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 do not believe the Big 12's eight remaining programs -- in any form -- bring substantial value to their conferences. Taken a step further, it suggests a reality that could see the Big 12 or American fade away with one likely absorbing the other.

Worse for the Big 12, it portends a nuclear winter for those schools' athletic budgets. Programs with hundreds of millions tied up in facilities will downsize. Minor sports will be dropped. The impact will affect not only athletics but the universities themselves. Being an autonomous (Power Five) institution is a branding that carries with it the cache that allows schools to hire staff, faculty and be awarded research grants. Even enrollment would likely be impacted."
ISU's enrollment has never correlated highly with the success of its athletic department. For example, enrollment has declined steadily during Matt Campbell's amazing tenure.
 
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ISU's enrollment has never correlated highly with the success of its athletic department. For example, enrollment has declined steadily during Matt Campbell's amazing tenure.

That’s because ISU outgrew it’s residential capabilities during that enrollment drive a few years back. There were people in temporary housing and sleeping in dorm lounges for a period. I think in normal years, athletic success would have at least a measurable impact on enrollment
 

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ISU seems to be right up there in top 50 in viewership. I’m not sure how much of that is related to playing Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa. These are numbers from 2015-2019. 2020 isn’t included.

Do you think “being right there in the top 50” is a selling point? There are not 600 schools on the list. And among the schools ISU competing against to find a home Iowa State is third to last.
 
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It isn’t arrogance. Texas and OU have a huge nationwide following and Iowa/ISU games tend to have the whole state tuned in, rather than split

Nobody outside Iowa cares. And there aren’t enough TVs in the state to make any impact on ratings.

you’re really bad at this
 

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Exactly!!!!
That’s the exact reason that ISU is going to be left out, no matter how many numbers all of you try to cherry pick to convince yourselves otherwise.

I think the potential is there, especially with possible regional rivalries and more engaged alumni bases.
 

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Exactly!!!!
That’s the exact reason that ISU is going to be left out, no matter how many numbers all of you try to cherry pick to convince yourselves otherwise.

Being the dumbest guy in every room you’re ever in is almost impossible

yet you make it look effortless
 

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It doesn’t for most schools but football success has indirectly impacted Alabama’s academic reputation with more students applying there from non traditional areas and alumni support. It lends visibility and credibility to large state universities. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins etc are in an entirely different category.

The number of students applying to a school has little to do with its academic reputation. Sure success in sports can have a direct impact on the number of butts in seats, see Boise St. after they beat OU, their apps skyrocketed. But that doesn't have much of anything to do with the academic reputation, because they're still probably accepting students at the same rate. Acceptance rate has a lot more to do with how a school's academics are perceived.