Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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A lot of people are taking frustrations out on the schools or conferences. In my opinion, the real villain is ESPN.

Hilarious opinion considering it was ESPN who saved the Big 12 in the first place. Do you have any idea the amount of money ESPN peed down the drain in order to make the Big 12 viable for Texas?
 

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Do you supposed Fox might have known all about this, hence Ou and Nebby being an 11am kick and Ou ******** about it since?
That's the craziest thing about this in my opinion. How the hell were they able to keep so many powers-that-be in the dark?? The fact there weren't any leaks this whole time is genuinely shocking.
 

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Hilarious opinion considering it was ESPN who saved the Big 12 in the first place. Do you have any idea the amount of money ESPN peed down the drain in order to make the Big 12 viable for Texas?

More like in order to meet Texas’s demands, not to make “viable.” For most of the last decade (the Big 12 + LHN period) Texas made as much or more than any school in the country in media rights revenue.

ESPN “saved” the Big 12 because it wanted to keep Texas in its grasp and then Texas sputtered competitively and ESPN’s bet didn’t pay off. ESPN is now parking Texas in a league where it will print money and tell everyone that they just don’t get how hard the SEC is, guys, 6-6 here is like going 10-2 in the old Big 12.
 

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Only way the Big 12 survives is if the other conferences choose not to expand.....if that's the case, go add some schools and stay together until 2025 simply to make OU and Texas honor the media rights agreement.
I don’t think the Big 12 should add schools in this scenario. I have threefold reasoning:

1. The new playoff distributes money per conference. If the revenues are as high as estimated, the existing eight could make up a lot of their losses based on that alone. Adding schools dilutes that money.

2. I’m not sure anything has changed with the AAC schools since last realignment. They’re still commuter schools, and their media markets matter even less.

3. This one makes me the saddest and is the most Machiavellian. Elevating more schools creates more competition if another round of realignment occurs down the round. If the 64 team “league” scenario happens down the round, for example, the remaining eight schools are still head of the line for consideration and don’t want anyone jumping them in line.
 

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Wait and see, what if SEC votes for Oklahoma to get in and then Texas does not get enough votes?
If that were to happen, then the SEC tells OkSU to come on over, the 8 become 7, and the supermajority required to put the economic squeeze on the defectors is gone. The Big Ten suddenly becomes interested in expansion, and adds UT. Kind of jacks with ESPN's plan a bit....
 

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The general audience is more enticed by early season or post season matchups between these types of programs than seeing it each week.

The debates about conference strength, etc. are part of the deal.
I'm interested in those games as well but it's because I have a vested interest (fandom) in the product because my team is a participant. So I care about Alabama v Auburn because I'm invested in CFB.

If the Hawks or in you guys case, Clones, are cut out of the overall CFB equation.....why would I care? I'd probably tune in occasionally because I like football but it'd be knocked down a few pegs on the priority list.
 
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I don’t think the Big 12 should add schools in this scenario. I have threefold reasoning:

1. The new playoff distributes money per conference. If the revenues are as high as estimated, the existing eight could make up a lot of their losses based on that alone. Adding schools dilutes that money.

2. I’m not sure anything has changed with the AAC schools since last realignment. They’re still commuter schools, and their media markets matter even less.

3. This one makes me the saddest and is the most Machiavellian. Elevating more schools creates more competition if another round of realignment occurs down the round. If the 64 team “league” scenario happens down the round, for example, the remaining eight schools are still head of the line for consideration and don’t want anyone jumping them in line.

There is no way the Big 12 will remain an "Autonomous Conference" with just 8 members...The other 4 Autonomous conferences will vote to strip the designation...
 

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A lot of people are taking frustrations out on the schools or conferences. In my opinion, the real villain is ESPN.
The guys who are lookouts and drive the getaway car are just as guilty as the guys who do the actual stick-up. I can generate enough hate for all of them, thank you very much. Especially because of the way UT and OU did it so underhandedly.
 
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I have thought more about this.

A few days ago I thought there was no way we could stick with what’s left in the Big 12. But now I’m not so sure. Couldn’t the 12 team playoff change these factors? It might help keep viability in the conference to at least maintain some levels of relevancy. Easy to forget that our remaining 8 would still be much more viable than an AAC, and even they would likely be getting a team into this playoff every year. (I would say K State is a little more viable than Eastern Carolina)

Of course if super conferences continue to form (ACC, PAC12 get poached) this goes out the window. This is a scenario where the PAC 12, Big 10 keep things as they are, and do not lose significant numbers to the SEC.
 

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I have thought more about this.

A few days ago I thought there was no way we could stick with what’s left in the Big 12. But now I’m not so sure. Couldn’t the 12 team playoff change these factors? It might help keep viability in the conference to at least maintain some levels of relevancy.

Of course if super conferences continue to form (ACC, PAC12 get poached) this goes out the window. This is a scenario where the PAC 12, Big 10 keep things as they are, and do not lose significant numbers to the SEC.
It's the money. If we stick with it, we'll make dramatically less and most likely won't be able to retain the staff.
 

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It's the money. If we stick with it, we'll make dramatically less and most likely won't be able to retain the staff.
Not only retain our current staff, but we will not be able to continue to build and improve our current facilities. No renewed Hilton, no fan area in the parking between Hilton and JTS, no much needed update to the press box and the rest of it.
It will be returning to the 70's, when once JTS was built, nothing was done to improve and enhance the stadium for a generation.
That is what we are looking at if we do not find another P5 home.
 

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Do you supposed Fox might have known all about this, hence Ou and Nebby being an 11am kick and Ou ******** about it since?

OU/NU was put at 11:00 because that is where Fox puts its marquee game. They ceded 2:30 to CBS/SEC and the nighttime slot to ABC.
 
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More like in order to meet Texas’s demands, not to make “viable.” For most of the last decade (the Big 12 + LHN period) Texas made as much or more than any school in the country in media rights revenue.

ESPN “saved” the Big 12 because it wanted to keep Texas in its grasp and then Texas sputtered competitively and ESPN’s bet didn’t pay off. ESPN is now parking Texas in a league where it will print money and tell everyone that they just don’t get how hard the SEC is, guys, 6-6 here is like going 10-2 in the old Big 12.

I don't care why they did it, do you realize how important it has been to ISU that they did it? What conference do you think ISU would be in right now if ESPN hadn't thrown away all that money? Do you think Campbell would be coaching there? What would the stadium look like? Would Pollard still be at ISU?

So when you call ESPN the villains, I find it hilarious. They quite literally bought ISU time to where it's not laughable that another conference would want them. If that is what you call a villain, I need more villains in my life.
 
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Clark

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I have thought more about this.

A few days ago I thought there was no way we could stick with what’s left in the Big 12. But now I’m not so sure. Couldn’t the 12 team playoff change these factors? It might help keep viability in the conference to at least maintain some levels of relevancy. Easy to forget that our remaining 8 would still be much more viable than an AAC, and even they would likely be getting a team into this playoff every year. (I would say K State is a little more viable than Eastern Carolina)

Of course if super conferences continue to form (ACC, PAC12 get poached) this goes out the window. This is a scenario where the PAC 12, Big 10 keep things as they are, and do not lose significant numbers to the SEC.

Those playoff rules don't even exist yet and you're assuming the playoff rules will stay the same. That's a bad assumption.
 
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God he’s a moron lol. Our stadium holds 60,000+ and we do it every game. We currently have larger stadiums than Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Northwestern. Some of them by a lot.
 
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