RECRUITING: The Tyler Jost situation

[ChrisMWilliams]

Obviously you guys have seen the drama.

Behind the scenes, it sounds like Iowa State offered the young man a gray shirt and he didn't like it. Iowa State didn't threaten to pull the scholly from what I understand ... just wanted to go the gray shirt route. A lot of schools wait until January to do this - or they drop the scholly all together.

Just what I'm hearing.

 

[NATEizKING]

Hope this is a Mckinley Wright type situation. He was our highest rated OL?

 

[CyCloned]

Seems kind of odd that you would want to grayshirt the highest rated OL in your class. Maybe the coaches have cooled a little on him??? It's not like we have a ton of great OL waiting in the wings.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Sounds like they may going after a JUCO instead or good news on scoogins medical redshirt. Maybe Matt sees an opportunity to win a lot next year and wants to make sure the OL is as strong as possible.

 

[CyArob]

Hopefully they get those Juco OL they wanted to replace him with...

 

[CloneinWDSM]

Hopefully they get those Juco OL they wanted to replace him with...

And hopefully they turn out better than that Karson Green dude

 

[kingcy]

Looks like the kid really wants to come to ISU. Too bad they cannot find a spot for him.

 

[Istate]

I understand why this happens, but it doesn't make it appear any better to the outsider. Not a good reputation to have.

 

[Daserop]

Why would he trust what the coaching staff is telling him after a stunt like this. What did the coaching staff expect. They shot themselves in the foot if you ask me. Lets wait and see if this JUCO OL recruit even appears. I bet is doesn't.

 

[Stewo]

I understand why this happens, but it doesn't make it appear any better to the outsider. Not a good reputation to have.

I think it's quite the opposite. As Chris said, this is usually done by schools in January to sort of strong-arm kids into accepting the offer because their options that late in the game are all but gone. This transpired on November 17th, at the latest.

I trust this staff's evaluation of high school talent. If they thought he was best suited for a gray shirt, then there's no reason for me to question that.

 

[CyFanInChiLand]

A lot of schools do not wait till January to do this, most plain never do this. It is usually the reverse where a school offers a greyshirt and come Jan/Feb they switch to a regular offer. For anyone thats ripped Harbaugh and his recruiting tactics this isnt all that much better.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

Why would he trust what the coaching staff is telling him after a stunt like this. What did the coaching staff expect. They shot themselves in the foot if you ask me. Lets wait and see if this JUCO OL recruit even appears. I bet is doesn't.

It does appear kind of shady, but recruiting is a dog eat dog world. I've heard pretty confidently that Nogaj and Kleinow are viewed as the top two within the football facility.

And I'm fairy certain the staff wouldn't have taken this risk if they weren't dang near 100% confident in their other option.

 

[Chipper]

Sounds like they may going after a JUCO instead or good news on scoogins medical redshirt. Maybe Matt sees an opportunity to win a lot next year and wants to make sure the OL is as strong as possible.

/fart noise

It's going down the band-aid, need to win now path.

Player development has always been an issue at Iowa State. I would have hoped an OL-heavy staff would be almost overly unabashed in their ability to develop kids. Not leaving it up to the staff of a JUCO and mortgaging OL recruits to get season to season-and-a-half of possible playing time from JUCO kid.

I now wait for person to say....but...but...Kansas State.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

/fart noise

It's going down the band-aid, need to win now path.

Player development has always been an issue at Iowa State. I would have hoped an OL-heavy staff would be almost overly unabashed in their ability to develop kids. Not leaving it up to the staff of a JUCO and mortgaging OL recruits to get season to season-and-a-half of possible playing time from JUCO kid.

I now wait for person to say....but...but...Kansas State.

I disagree, I think the staff is doing a good job developing an OL. Next year we have will have three 300+ pound redshirt freshman. 2 JUCOs at took redshirts this year and some experience from this line this year.

I'm just thinking that either they think they are going to pull in a big OL recruit or they want to grab another JUCO for a backup.

I don't want to be a heavy koolaid drinking for next year already but every position group on offense improves.

QB: park gets another year +

RB: freshman are sophomores, hopefully Warren stays and improves +

Wr: do we lose anyone? Lazard is a senior if he stays, and Jones our number 2 is a sophomore +

Te: we are playing walkons this year. We won't next year +

Ol: This will improve, I don't know by how much but it will improve +

All I'm saying is that we should have a good offense next year and if the stay feels like they need to greyshirt a kid there has to be a good reason either a bigger recruit, grad transfer, or JUCO.

 

[nfrine]

Almost a KF (Iowa) recruiting move. I say "a bird in the hand is more valuable than the one that may be in the bush." This does not send a good message to any recruit. That said, I wish Tyler the best.

 

[tim_redd]

The success rate of JUCO O-Linemen is extremely small from my observations. They must have been ok with losing this kid, but it's still a bad look.

 

[isu81]

Obviously you guys have seen the drama.

Behind the scenes, it sounds like Iowa State offered the young man a gray shirt and he didn't like it. Iowa State didn't threaten to pull the scholly from what I understand ... just wanted to go the gray shirt route. A lot of schools wait until January to do this - or they drop the scholly all together.

Just what I'm hearing.

I don't agree that a lot of schools do this or do it in January. It happens occasionally, particularly when a guy commits really early and then doesn't develop much. Grey shirts don't usually come from the ranks of kids that had already accepted a full scholarship. They come from situations where schools don't have room for a kid, but have mutual interest, typically late in the game (January) and particularly where the kid does not have other options to play at this level.

This is no big deal if isolated, but will be looked at poorly by high school coaches and be used against us by people we recruit against if it becomes a common event.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Looks like the kid really wants to come to ISU. Too bad they cannot find a spot for him.

There was always a spot for him. Just a few months later than the kid wanted. CMC and staff are looking after the ISU football PROGRAM by seeking out, and recruiting the athletes that make his system work. Jost was part of that and from all accounts, CMC was absolutely transparent, open and honest with Jost at a point in the recruiting process where Jost has many, many options should he not choose to play at ISU.

 

[flander1649]

I think this shows they are very confident in another OL or two or three will sign with ISU that are better than him. It sucks for Jost but a lot of times you just see the kid de-commit and don't say anything about it. This does happen a lot in the January time frame by the bigger schools. The better ISU gets at recruiting the more we will see this.

 

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

Maybe I don't pay attention enough, but aren't grayshirts extremely uncommon?

This makes it sound like the staff is trying to repair their image by saying arbitrarily that most schools wait to do this until January.

Congrats, you're slightly better than the small fraction of schools that actually do this, still sucks for the kid.