Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

The caveat you stated that I have bolded is the crux of this whole thread. If it is sustainable, except for all the G5s and the poorer P4s.

To put it in a more specific statement, it is sustainable for the Big 10 and the SEC.

You are on a message board for a team in one of the “poorer P4” conferences. Don’t be surprised when the majority of the people here agree with your statement that it is not sustainable for Iowa State.

I wasn’t stating conferences I was stating specific schools, mainly the ones that don’t care about sports. I thought their was just some post on here talking about ISU was leading in donations or some other financial metric on here.

Also we still have no idea what the actual cost is going to be. All these plans are using doomsday scenarios not actual real life numbers.

Once those numbers come out I could fully agree that this is the only way forward for 90% of the P4, as for the G5 they never have a chance. When your AD is reliant on being paid by the P4 to receive regular beatings that’s not a model for success.

 

[cykadelic2]

Or if somehow you’re 4 corner schools plus the PNW and cal/standford are all able to get 30+ million in their new conferences it’s actually the horrific Pac12 leadership that’s to blame. If they had remotely competent leadership that could put a deal on the table (they never did) they could have just stayed and made the exact same.

But the Pac12 is the most mismanaged conference in history and was destroyed by their own idiocy

This doesn't respond at all as to why B10 existing members didn't take a payout cut so that UO and UW could receive more than half shares for the rest of this decade (unlike what existing B12 members did for the 4Cs).

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Sure it is. Kept payments to all existing members the same. The could have just said no and left them homeless with the other PNW schools. Same thing happened when when the conference added Rutgers and Maryland.

If you had said no, they would have jumped to the B12, the last thing you would have wanted. So you made them a deal that you knew they would take, half price media until 2030.

The B10 is never afraid to take advantage of the situation for its own benefit, especially when they can then pin the blame on someone else.

 

[CloneLawman]

If you had said no, they would have jumped to the B12, the last thing you would have wanted. So you made them a deal that you knew they would take, half price media until 2030.

The B10 is never afraid to take advantage of the situation for its own benefit, especially when they can then pin the blame on someone else.

The B1G kicked the whole thing off and now pretends to be the White Knight. **** the B1G!!

 

[RustShack]

This doesn't respond at all as to why B10 existing members didn't take a payout cut so that UO and UW could receive more than half shares for the rest of this decade (unlike what existing B12 members did for the 4Cs).

B1G has always done that. USC/UCLA were the exception but they were factored into the new media deal and brought them California. The Big12 actually did that with BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF for the remainder of that current media contract.

The Biggest difference is Oregon and Washington desperately wanted to be in the B1G, and schools like Utah and Arizona State didn’t want to go to the Big12…but the Big12 wanted them.

 

[cykadelic2]

B1G has always done that. USC/UCLA were the exception but they were factored into the new media deal and brought them California. The Big12 actually did that with BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF for the remainder of that current media contract.

The Biggest difference is Oregon and Washington desperately wanted to be in the B1G, and schools like Utah and Arizona State didn’t want to go to the Big12…but the Big12 wanted them.

The 4Cs really had no choice after UO and UW took their half share deal from the B10 out of desperation.

Again, existing B10 schools were greedy bastards unlike existing B12 schools.

 

[RustShack]

The 4Cs really had no choice after UO and UW took their half share deal from the B10 out of desperation.

Again, existing B10 schools were greedy bastards unlike existing B12 schools.

Arizona and Colorado were already coming. They didn’t drop the price. The lifeline to Utah and ASU dropped it a little, and that’s because the Big12 wanted them and had to pay to get them. The Big12 had intentions of expanding and had escalators in their media contract.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The 4Cs really had no choice after UO and UW took their half share deal from the B10 out of desperation.

Again, existing B10 schools were greedy bastards unlike existing B12 schools.

Colorado joined the Big12 before Oregon and Washington took the deal bud. Also as stated we already had the media deal signed, not taking a cut just to throw a life raft to the PNW. Also Washington 100% would have joined the ACC like Cal and Stanford, not sure about Oregon

 

[Al_4_State]

If you give a mouse a cookie. They left for a conference that has always had equal revenue sharing, Nebraska left and took a lesser share for years. So again, if you can’t see how unequal revenue sharing caused massive problems I don’t know what to tell you.

Nebraska voted against equal revenue sharing in the Big 12.

They left because they couldn’t stand Texas, and with the Big 10 Network hitting cable, the Big 10 was going to make a lot more money. They wanted that too.

You non-blue blood Big 10 schools don’t really appreciate how you’re where you are because Ohio State and Michigan seem to enjoy allowing you to exist.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Nebraska voted against equal revenue sharing in the Big 12.

They left because they couldn’t stand Texas, and with the Big 10 Network hitting cable, the Big 10 was going to make a lot more money. They wanted that too.

You non-blue blood Big 10 schools don’t really appreciate how you’re where you are because Ohio State and Michigan seem to enjoy allowing you to exist.

Helps that Michigan isn’t a conventional blue blood the way OSU or Bama are. OSU I could totally see pulling some BS.

 

[Gonzo]

B1G has always done that. USC/UCLA were the exception but they were factored into the new media deal and brought them California. The Big12 actually did that with BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF for the remainder of that current media contract.

The Biggest difference is Oregon and Washington desperately wanted to be in the B1G, and schools like Utah and Arizona State didn’t want to go to the Big12…but the Big12 wanted them.

Yep. I'd only add the nuance that USC was the exception to receiving the full share immediately, and UCLA was gifted it as part of USC's coattail.

 

[Al_4_State]

Helps that Michigan isn’t a conventional blue blood the way OSU or Bama are. OSU I could totally see pulling some BS.

OSU is going to demand a bigger slice of the pie. It’s just a matter of time.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

OSU is going to demand a bigger slice of the pie. It’s just a matter of time.

I could see that out of OSU. But nothing says it has to be given, and they aren’t joining a conference without Michigan.

 

[Gonzo]

OSU is going to demand a bigger slice of the pie. It’s just a matter of time.

They could but they're not getting it for the rest of this decade. I would've thought the new CFP payouts gave bigger chunks to the schools that actually get in vs. those that don't. Pretty easy to justify that. But that didn't happen this time around. We'll find out in 2031 if they ask for a bigger chunk of the B1G media payouts.

 

[AuH2O]

The caveat you stated that I have bolded is the crux of this whole thread. If it is sustainable, except for all the G5s and the poorer P4s.

To put it in a more specific statement, it is sustainable for the Big 10 and the SEC.

You are on a message board for a team in one of the “poorer P4” conferences. Don’t be surprised when the majority of the people here agree with your statement that it is not sustainable for Iowa State.

Anybody claiming they know it is sustainable is guessing. NIL plus schools being able to pay players is going to lead to a competitive imbalance that dwarfs everything we’ve seen in US major pro or college sports.

And we need to not use the oversimplification of competitive balance. No, there’s never been parity, nor does CFB need or even really want parity. But we have had at least a decent number of competitive games with the occasional Vandy vs Bama.

But the remnants of the old restrictions are still around. CFB popularity has grown, but we are in a 15 year or so run that is the peak of competitive balance because of scholarship reduction from the 90s, every team being on TV in the 2010s. We will see, but I’m not bullish on the popularity growing IF the competitive balance gets worse.

 

[cykadelic2]

Colorado joined the Big12 before Oregon and Washington took the deal bud. Also as stated we already had the media deal signed, not taking a cut just to throw a life raft to the PNW. Also Washington 100% would have joined the ACC like Cal and Stanford, not sure about Oregon

LOL. that's BS. B10 could have done the same thing with UO and UW as the B12 did with the 4Cs and didn't.

 

[ClubCy]

LOL. that's BS. B10 could have done the same thing with UO and UW as the B12 did with the 4Cs and didn't.

Ok they could have but why would they if they didn’t have to? Oregon and Washington were desperate to get to the P2 and we were the last resort.

Life isn’t fair. Business definitely isnt fair. If the Big 12 had the chance do it we would have done it. We did it with the AAC schools. Didn’t they take reduced rates for at least a year?

It’s called leverage within negotiations. How does everyone not understand how this went down????

 

[Freebird]

The B1G has been around since 1896 and has never once kicked out a member institution.

I thought someone got kicked out of some disciplinary reason but was later let back in. I’m too lazy to look it up and could easily be misremembering

 

[Gonzo]

I thought someone got kicked out of some disciplinary reason but was later let back in. I’m too lazy to look it up and could easily be misremembering

I'm no expert on B1G history, cursory research didn't bring anything up except the University of Chicago, which chose to leave the conference in the 1940s after it sacked its football program.

**EDIT** Just found this. Michigan was booted in 1907 for refusing to adhere to league rules limiting it to 5 games a season and 3 years player eligibility. They rejoined in 1916.

 

[Freebird]

I'm no expert on B1G history, cursory research didn't bring anything up except the University of Chicago, which chose to leave the conference in the 1940s after it sacked its football program.

**EDIT** Just found this. Michigan was booted in 1907 for refusing to adhere to league rules limiting it to 5 games a season and 3 years player eligibility. They rejoined in 1916.

That's what it was. I knew it was early on and one of the bigger members.