Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[AuH2O]

I'd be shocked if we don't see B10 and SEC schools start to deflect donors away from the athletic dept and towards NIL collectives that are entirely separate and independent of the schools but just coincidentally work together in perfect synchrony. The athletic departments will have more funds than they know what to do with from the media deals to fund their operations. Anything in excess can go to the NILs.

I really don't see schools challenging to pay players directly, it opens a whole can of worms that I'm sure they'd rather not get into. NIL collectives let them have their cake and eat it too.

It also isn’t taking schools long to figure out that is going to be problematic. Telling donors to not give a dollar to their school but instead give it to a private organization that is going to give that money almost exclusively to male athletes is about as transparent a move to violate the spirit of federal law as you can imagine.

I'd imagine there are some class action lawsuits in the works now, waiting for ADs to step on their dicks enough to leave a paper trail and get the critical mass of dollars high enough to make it worth the while.

 

[AuH2O]

UO is AAU, Rather pathetic considering they dont have an engineering program nor a Medical program. and spend less than half on research that ISU does. But somehow they can maintain their AAU membership where ISU couldnt.

UO is the lowest school in AAU by quite a bit. I am not sure what they have that they research, sports management research I guess. And I dont understand how anything they do research counts for AAU because AAU heavily weights Medical and Engineering over everything else.

UO gets a high percentage of its funding through NIH, and they are willing to do the paperwork and spend the money to stay AAU.

AAU became an NIH circle-jerk, nothing more. While it can be an indicator of problems, AAU membership in a vacuum doesn't do anything for ISU, nor does losing it. Agencies don't ask or give a **** if someone is AAU, just like they don't ask, know or give a **** what athletic conference you are in.

 

[exCyDing]

I think Stanford is likely higher up the list that this - academics, TV market for BTN, rival for ND, endowment.

What it really boils down to is the east vs west and Notre Dame. Feels like B1G is just waiting for the ACC to be available, and for the ND domino to fall. Then they can settle on 20 vs 24, east vs west, and who fills the gaps. If they get ND and all ACC is available, I think they want ND, Stanford, UNC, UW to get to 20. If they wanted 24, then FSU, Miami, UO, and UVa are next on the boat. Although I don't think UVa and UO are necessarily shoe-ins - Cal and GT would have a shot anyway.

If their end goal is 20 and they really want to put the pressure on ND, they go hard after FSU and Miami and they have virtually all of ND's rivals aside from Navy and BC. Stanford is the final bargaining chip - it's not like Stanford would even go to the SEC if it was even offered. The B10 is in a position to play the long game.

I think 24 is a less likely end goal, simply based on schools that have been available but they have not added. WAOR and KU are tops of that list. I don't think there are 7 ACC schools + ND that would make the cut.

 

[2speedy1]

UO gets a high percentage of its funding through NIH, and they are willing to do the paperwork and spend the money to stay AAU.

AAU became an NIH circle-jerk, nothing more. While it can be an indicator of problems, AAU membership in a vacuum doesn't do anything for ISU, nor does losing it. Agencies don't ask or give a **** if someone is AAU, just like they don't ask, know or give a **** what athletic conference you are in.

UO still has miniscule research compared to the rest. If it comes from NIH then what for? They dont have any Health etc facilities.

They may jump through the paperwork loops to stay, I get that, but in the end they still rank 149th in research expenditures, with less than $140M.

U of N. Dakota spends more, so does WVU, Uof Alaska. Oregon St spends nearly double. Iowa State spends close to triple and ranks 77th. Oregon is so far below the rest of the AAU, and has no medical or engineering to count towards AAU that it shows just how much of a scam AAU is.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd

 

[Gonzo]

If their end goal is 20 and they really want to put the pressure on ND, they go hard after FSU and Miami and they have virtually all of ND's rivals aside from Navy and BC. Stanford is the final bargaining chip - it's not like Stanford would even go to the SEC if it was even offered. The B10 is in a position to play the long game.

I think 24 is a less likely end goal, simply based on schools that have been available but they have not added. WAOR and KU are tops of that list. I don't think there are 7 ACC schools + ND that would make the cut.

I've never heard of any B1G interest in FSU or Miami. Doesn't mean it's not there, I just haven't ever heard those rumblings like I have about UNC, UVA, even GT a little.

 

[Gunnerclone]

 

[2speedy1]

I've never heard of any B1G interest in FSU or Miami. Doesn't mean it's not there, I just haven't ever heard those rumblings like I have about UNC, UVA, even GT a little.

I have heard some speculation that the B1G is interested in Miami. How true that is I dont know.

I havent heard any interest to FSU. Although I have heard that FSU is interested in the B1G and is trying to get AAU membership. Also who knows how accurate that really is. I think pretty much all the ACC would jump at the chance to go to the B1G so FSU being interested is a nothing burger.

Neither one seems like a slam dunk to the B1G but if they want to get a footprint in Florida there could be a possibility. But its all speculation and guessing at this point.

 

[JHUNSY]

Honestly, the way this whole thing has been dragged out is unfortunate. The whole Big 12 vs Pac 12 thing is a waste of misdirected energy.

You'll never get the same journalists and talking heads who essentially cheered for the Big 12’s demise two summers ago to admit they were wrong and that there actually is value in the Big 12.

And you'll never convince fans of some Pac 12 schools that there is more value here in the Big 12 right now (Even though they can admit there are far less years and stability left on that ship).

 

[AuH2O]

UO still has miniscule research compared to the rest. If it comes from NIH then what for? They dont have any Health etc facilities.

They may jump through the paperwork loops to stay, I get that, but in the end they still rank 149th in research expenditures, with less than $140M.

U of N. Dakota spends more, so does WVU, Uof Alaska. Oregon St spends nearly double. Iowa State spends close to triple and ranks 77th. Oregon is so far below the rest of the AAU, and has no medical or engineering to count towards AAU that it shows just how much of a scam AAU is.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd

I think the point is that AAU doesn't actually mean that much. The big knock on ISU is that there's a lot of USDA research, and the claim is that a lot of that is through earmarks. That's completely false, but it really doesn't matter. The schools that run the AAU show don't get much USDA funding and get a ton of NIH funds, so that's what they are valuing.

NIH can fund a pretty wide range of fields. Basically anything they offer a PhD like biology, bioengineering, physiology.

 

[JHUNSY]

Honestly, the way this whole thing has been dragged out is unfortunate. The whole Big 12 vs Pac 12 thing is a waste of misdirected energy.

You'll never get the same journalists and talking heads who essentially cheered for the Big 12’s demise two summers ago to admit they we're wrong and that there actually is value in the Big 12.

And you'll never convince fans of some Pac 12 schools that there is more value here in the Big 12 right now (Even though they can admit there are far less years and stability left on that ship).

That said, Big 12 fans are rightfully defensive because journalists and national media talking heads slandered and propagated exacerbated numbers two years ago, as if they were trying to dismiss the Big 12 altogether indicating there was no value left.

And yet, instead of west coast journalists and fans from some Pac 12 schools realizing the above and maintaining their focus on pressuring Kliavkoff to actually produce results on a timeline that can deliver what they need, this whole thing has shifted into a bizarre game of “CuE biG 12 aNoN.”

 

[Gunnerclone]

WHERE IS THE DEAL? HAS ANYONE SEEN THE DEAL?

 

[AuH2O]

Last week Wilner said all the Pac 12 dominoes were going to start falling yesterday.

 

[2speedy1]

Last week Wilner said all the Pac 12 dominoes were going to start falling yesterday.

Well the so called "CEO meeting" that was scheduled yesterday was cancelled. That is what all of them were speculating something coming out of.

Now they are having it today....supposedly.

I kind of wonder if they realized how it looked and was reported yesterday, after cancelling it, so they scheduled it quick for today, to get ahead of the narrative. Even if they have nothing to meet on.

I think the big take away is, whether there is a meeting or not, doesnt mean there is actually anything new. They have had these meetings before and nothing came from them. And for that matter it could actually be bad news rather than good news.

It is similar to these Regents meetings at Colorado, just discussing the current situation, and nothing more than a regular meeting

 

[aeroclone]

WHERE IS THE DEAL? HAS ANYONE SEEN THE DEAL?

This is all that matters. It is March 22 and there is still no deal. Tick tock.

 

[Jkclone15]

Well the so called "CEO meeting" that was scheduled yesterday was cancelled. That is what all of them were speculating something coming out of.

Now they are having it today....supposedly.

I kind of wonder if they realized how it looked and was reported yesterday, after cancelling it, so they scheduled it quick for today, to get ahead of the narrative. Even if they have nothing to meet on.

I think the big take away is, whether there is a meeting or not, doesnt mean there is actually anything new. They have had these meetings before and nothing came from them. And for that matter it could actually be bad news rather than good news.

It is similar to these Regents meetings at Colorado, just discussing the current situation, and nothing more than a regular meeting

There was a meeting... and nothing happened

 

[CysRage]

There was a meeting... and nothing happened

By Wilner’s standards, anything “positive” is when nothing has changed.

If there was a worthy deal, it would have been presented, signed, and GOR signed by now. My guess is there is no major change to the previously presented underwhelming deal and they are giving GK one last chance to make it better.

 

[PickSix]

 

[Clonehomer]

By Wilner’s standards, anything “positive” is when nothing has changed.

If there was a worthy deal, it would have been presented, signed, and GOR signed by now. My guess is there is no major change to the previously presented underwhelming deal and they are giving GK one last chance to make it better.

GK and the unwanted PAC members will just drag this out until it's too late for schools to do anything but stay in the PAC. If there is no deal, there's nothing to compare to the Big12 offer and you can't make a move without that comparison, right?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

By Wilner’s standards, anything “positive” is when nothing has changed.

If there was a worthy deal, it would have been presented, signed, and GOR signed by now. My guess is there is no major change to the previously presented underwhelming deal and they are giving GK one last chance to make it better.

Got to suck to also not have any Pac teams left in the tournament when trying to negotiate these deals. I know football is king but it’s bad optics mid negotiation

 

[PickSix]

GK and the unwanted PAC members will just drag this out until it's too late for schools to do anything but stay in the PAC. If there is no deal, there's nothing to compare to the Big12 offer and you can't make a move without that comparison, right?

When's the Big 12 deadline for additions? Not quite sure what you're getting at. Seems to me like the PAC has the time crunch, not us.