Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Cyclone Pfan]

Feel free to correct me and say why Kansas has more value to the big ten than Washington and Oregon. You know the post I was responding to

Also if it really bothers you so much just put me on ignore

* Iirc, KU and UW are AAU, where UO is R1?
* "Regionally relevant" football games are easier to invent rivalries. (Note how long it took HyVee to jump on the UI/Nebraska "rivalry" game.)
* Blueblood basketball program
* Kansas City and (a weak claim to) St. Louis tv markets. I'm not sure how they stack up to Seattle or Portland though.
* I'm sure all 3 are high in academic ratings, but could be wrong.

It's just an opinion. I believe ND, UNC, UVA, FSU, GT, KU, Stanford, Cal, UO, and UW would all be high priorities for B1G if they were to expand further.

 

[exCyDing]

* Iirc, KU and UW are AAU, where UO is R1?
* "Regionally relevant" football games are easier to invent rivalries. (Note how long it took HyVee to jump on the UI/Nebraska "rivalry" game.)
* Blueblood basketball program
* Kansas City and (a weak claim to) St. Louis tv markets. I'm not sure how they stack up to Seattle or Portland though.
* I'm sure all 3 are high in academic ratings, but could be wrong.

It's just an opinion. I believe ND, UNC, UVA, FSU, GT, KU, Stanford, Cal, UO, and UW would all be high priorities for B1G if they were to expand further.

The B10 ranking is probably something like:

1. ND
2. FSU and/or Miami
3. UNC
4. WA
5. UVA
6. OR
7. Stanford or Cal (but either risk being Rutgers of the West, and relatively useless if cable/BTN $$ diminishes. Stanford could be a bargaining chip for ND)
8. KU - smallest market/state of all the above and worst football, but best BB.
9. GT, but only for the ATL market and recruiting. Weakest case.

IMO, they probably give up expanding around target #5. The B10 could’ve picked up KU at several points over the last 13 years…and they haven’t. Just like WAOR, Cal and Stanford currently. I have to think there’s a reason for that.

 

[HouClone]

You read a lot of Pac fans, including from Oregon, hoping for a merger with the ACC. They all are getting nervous. You rarely hear a Pac fan clamoring for a merger with the Big 12.

The ball and chain ACC deal is through 2036, is average money wise, and the travel is horrendous. The Big 12 has a short deal, is with ESPN and Fox, and is closer in travel. The ACC has the better brands and academics. The Big 12 has the better fan engagement.

Saying all of this, you would think something like 6-4, 7-3, or 8-2 for ACC-for Big 12. Nope. It is like 30-2. That is what the Pac thinks of the Big 12. Hope they blow up.

 

[stateofmind]

So you guys have this figured out yet?

 

[KnappShack]

Don't know who this guy is but he's bringing the heat here

 

[WhoISthis]

What has changed for the B10, nothing that I can see? Oregon and Washington want to go there, but they have no say in in the matter, the ball is in the B10 court and they, like always are going to do what is best for their league. If that means waiting for the ACC teams to come free, they are willing to do it. Just where are Oregon and Washington going to go and get even half the money that the B10 can offer? Stay in the P12 or jump to the B12 at 32 million or less per year?

At even $50 million per year, are the two P12 teams worth the chance to not get a UNC or UVA, which also strengthens their hold on the East Coast? Oregon and Washington are going nowhere, the Big 10 knows that, and they are in no hurry to invite them. So, unless the SEC starts making noise, they will stay where they are.

Progress has occurred though:
-Fox and ESPN came to an agreement on a shared 3rd conference, which was critical for future consolidation
-BIG presidents time to wrap their head around the future of major college athletics
-potential for the new BIG commissioner to be much better at being in step with Presidents


The lesser BIG schools are not wanting to bring in anyone on unequal revenue sharing due to the precedent it would set. Likely a valid concern.

Imo the need for ACC space is as much about getting ND than preference for UVA and Co

 

[CascadeClone]

There is never enough recognition that gambling is an inherently risky activity.

"inherently risky" - disagree. There's no risk there at all.
The house always wins over the long (well, medium) term.

 

[CascadeClone]

The B10 ranking is probably something like:

1. ND
2. FSU and/or Miami
3. UNC
4. WA
5. UVA
6. OR
7. Stanford or Cal (but either risk being Rutgers of the West, and relatively useless if cable/BTN $$ diminishes. Stanford could be a bargaining chip for ND)
8. KU - smallest market/state of all the above and worst football, but best BB.
9. GT, but only for the ATL market and recruiting. Weakest case.

IMO, they probably give up expanding around target #5. The B10 could’ve picked up KU at several points over the last 13 years…and they haven’t. Just like WAOR, Cal and Stanford currently. I have to think there’s a reason for that.

I think Stanford is likely higher up the list that this - academics, TV market for BTN, rival for ND, endowment.

What it really boils down to is the east vs west and Notre Dame. Feels like B1G is just waiting for the ACC to be available, and for the ND domino to fall. Then they can settle on 20 vs 24, east vs west, and who fills the gaps. If they get ND and all ACC is available, I think they want ND, Stanford, UNC, UW to get to 20. If they wanted 24, then FSU, Miami, UO, and UVa are next on the boat. Although I don't think UVa and UO are necessarily shoe-ins - Cal and GT would have a shot anyway.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I think Stanford is likely higher up the list that this - academics, TV market for BTN, rival for ND, endowment.

What it really boils down to is the east vs west and Notre Dame. Feels like B1G is just waiting for the ACC to be available, and for the ND domino to fall. Then they can settle on 20 vs 24, east vs west, and who fills the gaps. If they get ND and all ACC is available, I think they want ND, Stanford, UNC, UW to get to 20. If they wanted 24, then FSU, Miami, UO, and UVa are next on the boat. Although I don't think UVa and UO are necessarily shoe-ins - Cal and GT would have a shot anyway.

I think the Big 10 values commitment to athletics more than you think. Rutgers/NW/MD for example aren’t very good overall athletically right now, but they are still very committed to athletics imo.

 

[KnappShack]

Progress has occurred though:
-Fox and ESPN came to an agreement on a shared 3rd conference, which was critical for future consolidation
-BIG presidents time to wrap their head around the future of major college athletics
-potential for the new BIG commissioner to be much better at being in step with Presidents


The lesser BIG schools are not wanting to bring in anyone on unequal revenue sharing due to the precedent it would set. Likely a valid concern.

Imo the need for ACC space is as much about getting ND than preference for UVA and Co

The NFL makes about $321 million/year from TV. This is according to Forbes.

A hypothetical super league that cuts out the lower earners like Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Purdue, etc would have revenue where?

Could that league earn $150mil a year before playoff cash?

 

[Cybone]

All this talk if two or even one super conference, when does anti-trust come into play?

Should we get to that, can or even should they be under the NCAA umbrella? With NIL and these escalating media contracts, at some point one has to wonder if the NCAA can truly be called “non” or even “not for” profit entity.

 

[MugNight]

I think Stanford is likely higher up the list that this - academics, TV market for BTN, rival for ND, endowment.

What it really boils down to is the east vs west and Notre Dame. Feels like B1G is just waiting for the ACC to be available, and for the ND domino to fall. Then they can settle on 20 vs 24, east vs west, and who fills the gaps. If they get ND and all ACC is available, I think they want ND, Stanford, UNC, UW to get to 20. If they wanted 24, then FSU, Miami, UO, and UVa are next on the boat. Although I don't think UVa and UO are necessarily shoe-ins - Cal and GT would have a shot anyway.

GT is an interesting one. UGA really owns Georgia and the metro Atlanta area for fandom by a long margin. Honestly Auburn is probably the 2nd most popular team there due to alumni/ATL kids coming back home to work after going there for school (its 2 hours from ATL). Auburn is a popular school for GA kids who didn’t get into UGA.

GT has pockets of fandom with ATL city residents and high earning alumni. If you see someone in yellow jackets gear, it’s likely they or someone close to them attended the school. They have so few T-shirt fans.

They’ve been poor in football lately but have decent baseball. They used to be much better at basketball. They’re basically a southern Boston College to me.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

The NFL makes about $321 million/year from TV. This is according to Forbes.

A hypothetical super league that cuts out the lower earners like Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Purdue, etc would have revenue where?

Could that league earn $150mil a year before playoff cash?

$321 million per team. Roughly $9 billion per year in total.

 

[Clonedogg]

The NFL makes about $321 million/year from TV. This is according to Forbes.

A hypothetical super league that cuts out the lower earners like Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Purdue, etc would have revenue where?

Could that league earn $150mil a year before playoff cash?

$321 million per team. Roughly $9 billion per year in total.

Thank You! I was like there is NO WAY that's all the TV money the NFL makes in a year. 10 mil a team???

 

[Mr Janny]

All this talk if two or even one super conference, when does anti-trust come into play?

Should we get to that, can or even should they be under the NCAA umbrella? With NIL and these escalating media contracts, at some point one has to wonder if the NCAA can truly be called “non” or even “not for” profit entity.

I think that a super conference might actually help with anti trust, believe it or not. Part of the issue that the NCAA has had is that a football scholarship at one D1 school is not different than a football scholarship at another D1 school. Opponents argue that the compensation is artificially suppressed, and since the path to a pro football career goes through a D1 program for the vast, vast majority of players, the claim has been made that it violates antitrust regulations.

If a super conference comes into existence, consisting of say, the Big 10 and SEC, with different rules for scholarships and compensation, the path to a pro career may have additional options, with the remaining D1 schools. That increase in competition may actually reduce the risk of antitrust violations.

 

[JHUNSY]

Lol

 

[JHUNSY]

 

[2speedy1]

* Iirc, KU and UW are AAU, where UO is R1?
* "Regionally relevant" football games are easier to invent rivalries. (Note how long it took HyVee to jump on the UI/Nebraska "rivalry" game.)
* Blueblood basketball program
* Kansas City and (a weak claim to) St. Louis tv markets. I'm not sure how they stack up to Seattle or Portland though.
* I'm sure all 3 are high in academic ratings, but could be wrong.

It's just an opinion. I believe ND, UNC, UVA, FSU, GT, KU, Stanford, Cal, UO, and UW would all be high priorities for B1G if they were to expand further.

UO is AAU, Rather pathetic considering they dont have an engineering program nor a Medical program. and spend less than half on research that ISU does. But somehow they can maintain their AAU membership where ISU couldnt.

UO is the lowest school in AAU by quite a bit. I am not sure what they have that they research, sports management research I guess. And I dont understand how anything they do research counts for AAU because AAU heavily weights Medical and Engineering over everything else.

 

[rochclone]

Lol

This is fantastic. Canzano is such a joker. Tony Altimore is the worst.

 

[ScottyP]

Lol

Canzano - It wasn't me because it contained too many AP style mistakes (actually was him)

He is criticizing his own writing skills.