Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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What the ACC is paying out does not matter, its what the value that NBC is paying them. If ND is only worth 55 million a year to the ACC and they are one of their flagship schools, but they are somehow worth north of $125 million and more to B10? Is that what you are trying to say here.

You said earlier that people break contracts all the time, now think about that. You are the ACC, you have seen what has happened to the B12, and you are redoing your contract, including a new network. You really think that these schools are agreeing to a handshake deal. Some of the best lawyers money can buy went over those GOR's and trying to make sure that no school could break them. If they could, Florida St, Clemson and a few others would be playing in another league right now.
Feels like a lot of people are conflating "breaking" a contract and buying out of a contract. A team paying the previously agreed upon exit fee is not breaking a contract. They are just deciding if the money makes sense to use the exit clause of a contract.
 

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I don't really agree with the talk that the Pac-12 beating the Big 12 to market is some sort of advantage. Networks aren't going to offer up big dollars when there's a comparable (or slightly better) product to fall back on a year later.

The PAC is stuck in a situation where the supply is high and demand is low. Not good for a conference looking to cash out and remain afloat.
 

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The question is when can the Big12 begin negotiations?
  • Is the Big12 deal similar to Pac12 and ESPN & Fox have an exclusive window around July 1, 2023?
  • The Pac12 was able to move up that window a few days when USC & UCLA left. Can the Big12 move up ESPN & Fox's exclusive window? And by how much?
As media partners with the Big12, even if there are contract limitations, it might be in ESPN & Fox's best interest to move that exclusive window this fall or early 2023.

Who knows, ESPN and/or Fox may have no interest in a future Big12 deal.

Or if they are interested in a new Big12 media deal, they might want the financials negotiated in the next year vs. summer 2024.

With Cincy, Houston, UCF and BYU joining Big12 and OU/UT leaving- there could be reasons for Big12 and Fox/ESPN to negotiate early. After all, I'm sure ESPN wants OU/UT in SEC before the 2025 football season.

From what others have said, apparently Yormark indicated at media days that moving up the negotiating window could be an option if it makes sense.

I'm just not sold that there's ever going to be a need.
 

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I don't really agree with the talk that the Pac-12 beating the Big 12 to market is some sort of advantage. Networks aren't going to offer up big dollars when there's a comparable (or slightly better) product to fall back on a year later.

The PAC is stuck in a situation where the supply is high and demand is low. Not good for a conference looking to cash out and remain afloat.
It’s not necessarily an advantage to getting more media media dollars but it is an advantage in keeping the PAC alive
 

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PAC adds SDSU, SMU everyone else stays and gets 35 million per team done. ESPN over pays a few million per team. WSU, OSU don’t get ******.
 
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PAC adds SDSU, SMU everyone else stays and gets 35 million per team done. ESPN over pays a few million per team. WSU, OSU don’t get ******.
I know the pac is desperate but I don’t think they would ever add SMU. Brings the value down and is a religious school
 

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What the ACC is paying out does not matter, its what the value that NBC is paying them. If ND is only worth 55 million a year to the ACC and they are one of their flagship schools, but they are somehow worth north of $125 million and more to B10? Is that what you are trying to say here.

You said earlier that people break contracts all the time, now think about that. You are the ACC, you have seen what has happened to the B12, and you are redoing your contract, including a new network. You really think that these schools are agreeing to a handshake deal. Some of the best lawyers money can buy went over those GOR's and trying to make sure that no school could break them. If they could, Florida St, Clemson and a few others would be playing in another league right now.
ND's football media rights aren't included in the ACC's GoR. You can't try equating ND's situation to Clemson or FSU, whose football media rights are owned by the ACC through the GoR.

And if you're saying that if ND left early they'd owe the ACC $$$ for the media value of those 5 ACC games they'd no longer be playing, that's a stretch and even if it were the case, they wouldn't owe the ACC for any of those 5 games played at ND and aired on NBC because that's part of ND's media deal that the ACC has no rights to.
 

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Survival mode, just like big 12 last year.
There is survival mode and then their is taking SMU that adds no actual value and is antithetical to everything the Pac12 and it’s member institutions stand for. You will never get the school presidents to sign off on it
 

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ND's football media rights aren't included in the ACC's GoR. You can't try equating ND's situation to Clemson or FSU, whose football media rights are owned by the ACC through the GoR.

And if you're saying that if ND left early they'd owe the ACC $$$ for the media value of those 5 ACC games they'd no longer be playing, that's a stretch and even if it were the case, they wouldn't owe the ACC for any of those 5 games played at ND and aired on NBC because that's part of ND's media deal that the ACC has no rights to.
Since football drives about 80 percent of major conferences' television money, Notre Dame receives one-fifth, 20 percent, of a full share of the league's guaranteed rights fees, a fair and mathematically sound arrangement.
That ratio is reflected in the ACC's most recent tax return, for fiscal 2014-15.
The conference distributed $373,162,899 to its 15 schools, about 55 percent of which came from television rights fees. So Notre Dame received $6.2 million, less than one-fourth of the $26.21 million the league's other members pocketed, on average.

 

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Since football drives about 80 percent of major conferences' television money, Notre Dame receives one-fifth, 20 percent, of a full share of the league's guaranteed rights fees, a fair and mathematically sound arrangement.
That ratio is reflected in the ACC's most recent tax return, for fiscal 2014-15.
The conference distributed $373,162,899 to its 15 schools, about 55 percent of which came from television rights fees. So Notre Dame received $6.2 million, less than one-fourth of the $26.21 million the league's other members pocketed, on average.

Yeah, ND gets a small cut from the ACC for media revenue, and gives zero $$$ to the ACC from its media deal with NBC. Not sure what you're trying to say here honestly.
 

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ND's football media rights aren't included in the ACC's GoR. You can't try equating ND's situation to Clemson or FSU, whose football media rights are owned by the ACC through the GoR.

And if you're saying that if ND left early they'd owe the ACC $$$ for the media value of those 5 ACC games they'd no longer be playing, that's a stretch and even if it were the case, they wouldn't owe the ACC for any of those 5 games played at ND and aired on NBC because that's part of ND's media deal that the ACC has no rights to.
This says otherwise, a copy of the ACC GOR agreement, notice ND is listed.


No one has said that ND is giving any of their money off their NBC deal to the conference, only that the ACC owns the rights to all ND media material, other than those NBC games.
 

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This says otherwise, a copy of the ACC GOR agreement, notice ND is listed.


No one has said that ND is giving any of their money off their NBC deal to the conference, only that the ACC owns the rights to all ND media material, other than those NBC games.
Nah.

"There's a reason the Notre Dame brand avoided the doorway of college football's realignment party, so far. Instead Notre Dame maintains its status as an independent with noticeable patience. The Fighting Irish TV deal with the ACC includes a sizable exit fee, but Notre Dame would be free of paying the Grant of Rights charge for football, according to ESPN's David Hale."

 
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Nah.

"There's a reason the Notre Dame brand avoided the doorway of college football's realignment party, so far. Instead Notre Dame maintains its status as an independent with noticeable patience. The Fighting Irish TV deal with the ACC includes a sizable exit fee, but Notre Dame would be free of paying the Grant of Rights charge for football, according to ESPN's David Hale."

So for at least $100 million, and giving up the one thing they treasure the most, independence in football, they can join the B10.

Why do I think they will be passing on the opportunity, until forced to do so. When that happens, they will drive a hard bargain for the Big 10. Unlike most schools, money is not a problem for ND.
 
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There is survival mode and then their is taking SMU that adds no actual value and is antithetical to everything the Pac12 and it’s member institutions stand for. You will never get the school presidents to sign off on it
Yep probably so Boise St it is!! Or implosion.
 

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So for at least $100 million, and giving up the one thing they treasure the most, independence in football, they can join the B10.

Why do I think they will be passing on the opportunity, until forced to do so. When that happens, they will drive a hard bargain for the Big 10. Unlike most schools, money is not a problem for ND.
The other key thing is that isn’t not really 100mil, it’s only 25-35mil more then their perspective deal. So they obv stay independent