This is a good point, but on the flip side, landing top transfers has made us attractive to other top transfers. Cooke, BDJ, and Burton were all highly rated, top 100 high school recruits.
Rashad Vaughn - Bryce DeJean-Jones Statistical Comparison Thread
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This is a good point, but on the flip side, landing top transfers has made us attractive to other top transfers. Cooke, BDJ, and Burton were all highly rated, top 100 high school recruits.
If you wanted to know who may actually be better, you'd be better off comparing Vaughn this year to BDJ last year.
Why? Comparing someone in Hoibergs system to someone in Rices system has to be less telling than comparing two people in the same system at the same position with the same role.
If you're acting like Vaughns stats wouldn't be much better and more efficient under Hoiberg on this team you're fooling yourself.
Irrelevant comparison. Vaughn plays for a worse team, worse school, worse conference, has worse teammates, and a worse coach. It isn't fair to say just because BDJ has better stats that he is better.
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Looking at BDJ's YOY improvement from a different UNLV team is still very weak in estimating what impact RV would be having at ISU and comparing it to BDJ's impact thus far.
Everyone already assumes RV would be better at ISU, but better than BDJ? I don't see his improvement being as much as BDJ's, nor would his impact be the same. RV's stats would probably be a little better, but he wouldn't be a 5th year senior.
Could there possibly be a more relevant comparison though? The only difference is age.
And I'm not saying he'd be better than bdj has been, I'm saying he'd have much better and more efficient play than he's had at UNLV just like bdj has.
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Well there are such things as advanced stats...
PER
RV = 17.3
BDJ = 29.2
(for context, Hogue, Naz, and Edozie are all between 17 and 19... Niang is a 25, Monte a 22)
The Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is a per-minute rating developed by ESPN.com columnist John Hollinger. In John's words, "The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance."
RV would be a near starter on this roster given that performance. Might even make sense to go Morris/Long/Hogue/Niang/McKay and have him as sixth man. BDJ is a studddddddddddddddddd and probably our best player (so far). Definitely won that trade according to this metric.
WS/40
RV = 0.105
BDJ = 0.271
So BDJ is roughly 2.5x times more efficient towards helping the team win in his minutes and position. BDJ has just been a wildly efficient, statistically productive player in the same vein as DeAndre Kane. I know, sacrilegious, but he really is playing that well so far. They're both big guards that score a lot and suck down all sorts of rebounds. The only real difference this year is Monte Morris is more of a "finished product" for BDJ and does a lot more ballhandling than he did for Kane from last year given it was a freshie just starting out.
For context on the WS/40 on our squad...
0.271 BDJ
0.240 Niang
0.233 McKay (given a small sample size, though, but he put up nice numbers against Drake)
0.218 Morris
0.212 Edozie (much better offense this year and he's efficient about drawing fouls and nailing FTs)
0.160 Naz Long
0.159 Hogue
We're good without BDJ (and the Iowa game proves it), but he's reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly good.
Take out the "RV would set a precedent for NBA rentals to come to ISU" factor (or whatever chance of RV for more than one year), and BDJ is definitely an upgrade for this season.
A guard court of Morris, BDJ, Naz Long, and Matt Thomas is frankly terrifying come March and April to any other team. Let's hope they play that way.
PER
RV = 17.3
BDJ = 29.2
(for context, Hogue, Naz, and Edozie are all between 17 and 19... Niang is a 25, Monte a 22)
The Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is a per-minute rating developed by ESPN.com columnist John Hollinger. In John's words, "The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance."
RV would be a near starter on this roster given that performance. Might even make sense to go Morris/Long/Hogue/Niang/McKay and have him as sixth man. BDJ is a studddddddddddddddddd and probably our best player (so far). Definitely won that trade according to this metric.
WS/40
RV = 0.105
BDJ = 0.271
So BDJ is roughly 2.5x times more efficient towards helping the team win in his minutes and position. BDJ has just been a wildly efficient, statistically productive player in the same vein as DeAndre Kane. I know, sacrilegious, but he really is playing that well so far. They're both big guards that score a lot and suck down all sorts of rebounds. The only real difference this year is Monte Morris is more of a "finished product" for BDJ and does a lot more ballhandling than he did for Kane from last year given it was a freshie just starting out.
For context on the WS/40 on our squad...
0.271 BDJ
0.240 Niang
0.233 McKay (given a small sample size, though, but he put up nice numbers against Drake)
0.218 Morris
0.212 Edozie (much better offense this year and he's efficient about drawing fouls and nailing FTs)
0.160 Naz Long
0.159 Hogue
We're good without BDJ (and the Iowa game proves it), but he's reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly good.
Take out the "RV would set a precedent for NBA rentals to come to ISU" factor (or whatever chance of RV for more than one year), and BDJ is definitely an upgrade for this season.
A guard court of Morris, BDJ, Naz Long, and Matt Thomas is frankly terrifying come March and April to any other team. Let's hope they play that way.
I guess I should type a lame sequel now...
They score about equal amounts, but BDJ does it in far fewer possessions with a higher shooting and free throw shooting percentage. All that adds up to efficiency, not just raw numbers (though he has that, too). Add in BDJ being a much better rebounder, offering more assists, blocking more shots, and you've quickly got a much better, complete, rounded, finished player who is *also* an elite scorer instead of just the scorer.
Yeah. We came out good on this one.
If we're going that far, then Vaughn should be bolded by number of handlers and this year's salary.
Not really. You'd be comparing two guys that played on the same team with the same coaching staff in the same position with the same role and similar skillsets only one year apart from each other. Obviously there are things you can't take into a account like strength of schedules, teammates and age, but it's still better than most ways when trying to compare.
