I'm not sure we played another team besides KSU that was actually decimated with COVID to the extent that it really hurt them.
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Much of that is true. And I wrote that ISU was that night last year the best team K-State played all year.
Iowa State was pretty much the same team last year as they were in 2020. The only main difference was the bounces we got in 2020 were more favorable than in 2021. Turnover luck, guys hitting 65 yard FG's as time expired, some very tough calls both ways, injuries, etc. It's all part of the game of football. One year it went our way and the other it didn't.
Last 3 years conference records are K State 13 - 14 and ISU is 18 - 9. K State has 1 winning conference season compared to 3 for ISU.
But hey if you throw out ISU's best season in that time and KSU's worst season, they're the same!
We were somewhat handcuffed on offense with both Allen and Kolar returning. You couple the multiple TE sets with Brocks inability to push the ball down the field and we became crazy predictable on offense. Every team put 8 in the box on us and dared us to try to throw deep.
I am serious. I'm writing exactly how I came to my earlier conclusions. Furthermore, I have restated what I had said before about Covid effects as well saying this fall will clarify my views.
K-State will have its best team since Waters and Lockett, perhaps since Klein's #1 ranked outfit - much like ISU going into last season. So, we'll see what kind of coach Klieman is, or isn't, by comparison.
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But using your logic in that this is poised to be a "great year" for Kleinman, why didn't he and KSU achieve last year what CMC and ISU achieved in 2020, which was going 8-2 in conference play, making the conference title game, and winning the Fiesta Bowl?
KSU didn't even have a better conference record as ISU last year and ISU smoked em. So I just fail to see how this season is set up to be like ISU's was last year? We were picked 2nd in the preseason and KSU's at what, 5? Doesn't seem to be the same type of hype. Seems to me that you're creating it out of thin air.
Yeah it's going to be fun to watch Dekkers sling the rock this year.
K-State's 2 deeps are not good. Yes, they have a couple of really good players on both sides of the ball but that isn't going to get it done. It's a very CPR like roster...
K-State is older this year. In 2020 they were ravaged by Covid. ISU was Covid-free for much of that year, particularly for conference play. Plus they were good.
Last year, KSU went bowling and beat LSU. Not bad.
I truly believe Courtney Messingham was a huge negative coupled with Skylar Thompson being oft-injured both in 2020 when he was out most of the year, and 2021, when for example K-State lost at Texas, the worst conference defeat of the Klieman era.
There are no such excuses this season. Veteran QB, all-American running back, and several all-conference-type players going in, plus Collin Klein has replaced Mess. As I wrote, we'll see this fall and then compare that to ISU's 7-6 performance last season.
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You are either
1. A fan with purple blinders on
2. An idiot
K-State is probably middle of the pack in terms of talent (likely 6-8 range) and depth will be a big issue.
But yes, best team ever with huge expectations (currently 5.5-6.5 wins in sports books).
It’s not close. I just checked. Still like when I got an app for them in my day. Basically a strong pulse and not in special ED during HS.
I did not write that this was potentially the best K-State team ever. That's a profoundly bad straw man argument even for you.
And at least give me credit for stating my case before the fact, rather than claiming the credit afterward.
K-State remains loyal to its land grant mission of educating the masses, yes.
Expectations are only large for K-State in your eyes.
That is the difference, so I guess I’ll give you some credit for being a fan.
You said 2022 K-State is much like 2021 ISU heading into this season, which is a weird (and untrue) assessment.
Except ISU was a top-10 team, and K-State is being pegged from 5.5 to 6.5 wins depending on the sports book, so that comparison is weird.
Hence, you’re one of few who have high expectations for them.
