Prediction for USC/UCLA postmortem.
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The Denver market and the chance to bring back an old member.
I feel you. I think that paying the players is the fair and right thing to do but I also think the money is killing the things that made me love the sport. ASU playing UCF for a big 12 championship? I just won't care.
I loved CFB but unfortunately it was our love and willingness to watch and pay top dollar that will ruin the sport.
I think I will be interested in them because they will be in Iowa State’s conference. I won’t care about the others because it does impact Iowa State.
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the Big 12 has been kicked too many times so I am skeptical to see it work out for us like it appears.
I have poked my head around the Pac 12 leftovers forums. They pretty much all believe the Big 12 is beneath them and want no part it. Only Colorado has had some positive posters.
A lot of them are thinking their tv deal w/o UCLA and USC will be about the same as the Big 12 or better.
I have poked my head around the Pac 12 leftovers forums. They pretty much all believe the Big 12 is beneath them and want no part it. Only Colorado has had some positive posters.
A lot of them are thinking their tv deal w/o UCLA and USC will be about the same as the Big 12 or better.
To get the denver market, you have to get the Broncos to come down to the big 12. To get a former team back, they won't work so you would have to go with Colorado U then.
I’ll leave the in-depth analysis to the experts, but I would think CO would be near the top in semi-available schools. Nobody’s leaving the Big 10 or SEC. The ACC is off the table for the next ~10 years or so at a minimum. ND isn’t even worth mentioning for the Big 12. The G5 is pretty tapped out for anybody that could at a minimum add enough value to justify their cut of conference money.
If I had to put schools that might be switching conferences into tiers:
- Washington, Oregon, Stanford
- Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
- Colorado, Cal
- Washington St, Oregon St
- G5 teams like Memphis, Colorado St…
Re those last bits. After those drop, the next hurdle will be academics. If a star athlete is making 7 figures does it really make sense to force them to go to sociology 101? Once this becomes a minor league (if it's not already) then how do football programs progress the mission of the university? The only relationship will be marketing and money.
Are you young?
I felt the same about any non-Big 8 school in the Big 12 back in the day.
Give it a few years, and the caring rapidly increases.
If anything it will be easier, because the Big 12 will be a band of underdogs against P2, and conference pride will be easier to come by imo
The ACC is absolutely in play. In particular if ND joins the BIG, which would end the delusion in the ACC that they are ND's conference of choice.
And if ND doesn't go to the BIG, there is a decent chance it is because the SEC/ESPN have the votes needed to move the ACC around.
I don’t see the monetary appeal for either conference to get that big. Incoming members have to bring in more than the average, and few schools are worth $100m plus.
It’s not the players getting paid that is ruining the sport. It’s the lack of leadership with clear goals to build college football value.
The goals of leaders in the sport (conf commissioners, school presidents, administrators) is to maximize their conference and school value. TV companies are taking advantage of this fact and are consolidating the top brands. Why? They want more games between the top brands and they don’t want to pay 65 schools they only want to pay 32 schools.
If there was a leader over college athletics that was trying to set rules to maximize value and competition in college football, they could easily set salary caps, contracts for coaches and players, and define regional conferences that maximize fan value. Players would be paid a percentage of the revenues.
Issue is not paying players, it’s lack of leadership.
I have no doubt many of them absolutely do feel that way.
If the 10 stick together, they could make a go of it either as-is. They’re media rights will likely be well behind the Big 12 and maybe the ACC.
I don’t expect WA and OR to stay, at a minimum. The question is, do the remaining 6 or 8 hold the Big 12 in higher regard than they do Boise St, Fresno St, San Diego St, etc?
Exactly, that’s the biggest difference between the NFL and college football. Everyone’s looking out for their own little empire and nobody’s looking out for the totality of the empires.
Interesting cases. TCU benefitted in a roundabout way because they were originally demoted when SWC collapsed and then clawed their way back. West Virginia was a much stronger brand in the Big East. The Big 12 saved them from Armageddon, but if no conference realignment happens WV is probably better off.
The biggest winners of conference realignment are the existing members of the SEC and Big Ten, at least for now. Everyone else has had to sacrifice something. They sit back and rake in money in prestige that has helped their overall product and university image. Think South Carolina and Purdue as well as the blue bloods.
