***Post game thread- ISU vs Cincy***
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the lack of any sets or a structure.I'm not asking for 100 plays (See McD), I'm not just a fan of iso-ball for too much of that game which led to bad shot selection by the players as you said. Like I said, not necessarily a good or bad thing, long term it might benefit more to go the route Prohm is going. Results like this game tonight can/will happen due to it. The side that says it's all Prohm's fault and the side that says it's all the players fault are both half right. Hardly the end of the world. There's a lot of games left, most people are frustrated because that was a winnable game. People felt like they gave the game away over Cincinnati being better.
I will get bashed like crazy for saying this, but it's way too early to say Prohm is a good/great coach. It's year 2 for him and still is in the wait-and-see for me (Sweet 16 is a great accomplishment for ISU last season, long term success is debatable and I'd say that for any 2nd season coach). That's why when people say Campbell sucks as a coach, it's funny as it's impossible to tell after a year. Different sports, so don't bring that up when I say this because I'm speaking the success they had in their sports, but lots of people were praising CPR after 1 year for the success he had, then we saw how that turned out (People can make the argument he had a good tenure, it went bad towards the end however). Just saying, a little too premature to say that (referring to people who've said that in the past) IMO.
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A lot of our shots were missed tonight because they were either contested or poor shots...
Nearly every single championship team ever in the history or college basketball has been a good defensive team...anyone that thinks it has to be defense or offense has absolutely no basketball iq what-so-ever.
How did Eustachy's Big 12 title teams ever function on offense? Their legs must've been exhausted the way they defended.
This group WILL be fine. The ceiling just may not be as high as last year.
I was flying, DVR'd the game and just watched a kind of....semi fast forwarded at points game. Our offense looked like crap. There's too many guys dribbling around too much. Now, the last two games had some better defense from the opponents, but in years past they were able to still whip it around usually with at least decent ball movement. I feel like this game and in a way in the Indiana State one was really bad. Now, we kept Cincinnati at bay a bit because of our defense, but still the offense was just bad. There have been some guys so far this year dialed in fairly well and there's been some that have missed so many easy shots. I don't get it.
We could have and SHOULD have won the last two games, but didn't. This is all on coaching. Really really bad plays in the last two games. I admire the comeback versus Gonzaga, but holy crap there were so many opportunities squandered with terrible plays to win that game in the last 4-5 minutes. Same as tonight.
Whatever it is, they need to get out of this funk and start playing better or else they are going to be in trouble with the Kansas, Baylor, etcs of the world.
We could have and SHOULD have won the last two games, but didn't. This is all on coaching. Really really bad plays in the last two games. I admire the comeback versus Gonzaga, but holy crap there were so many opportunities squandered with terrible plays to win that game in the last 4-5 minutes. Same as tonight.
Whatever it is, they need to get out of this funk and start playing better or else they are going to be in trouble with the Kansas, Baylor, etcs of the world.
He's done nothing in his career to disprove that he is a very good coach.
We don't really know. Maybe he'll suck it up the next 3 years and he will get fired. But his track record is pretty good.
I hope Fred sends McDoormat a fruit basket every Christmas. Fred was on his way to great things here but it's funny how different winning an 8/9 game to get blown out by the eventual NC felt under Morgan vs Fred.
I agree with most of this. I don't think it has to be defense or offense. But I do think that there is some tradeoff.
Here is my take after thinking about it some more. What is the one weakness that has plagued this team for the last 6 years, the one thing that people said that these teams would never learn?
Defense.
What I have seen from these guys playing the last two teams, two teams that are much bigger and more physical than ISU, two great teams, has encouraged me. I know we lost both of them but the defense is the best I can ever remember an ISU team playing (not counting terrible non-con games).
We know that nearly every single player on this team could easily put up 30+ points if they got hot. I know the offense has been bad the last two games but we know that the shots will fall eventually.
All I know is that this team is just as capable of putting up points as any that I have ever seen at ISU (they scored 130 2 weeks ago...) and now they know how to play defense. All I am wanting out of this non-con schedule is for them to learn how to put these two skills together in one game. Im sure that will happen and Im sure this will be a great season.
Go Cyclones.
Defense.
What I have seen from these guys playing the last two teams, two teams that are much bigger and more physical than ISU, two great teams, has encouraged me. I know we lost both of them but the defense is the best I can ever remember an ISU team playing (not counting terrible non-con games).
We know that nearly every single player on this team could easily put up 30+ points if they got hot. I know the offense has been bad the last two games but we know that the shots will fall eventually.
All I know is that this team is just as capable of putting up points as any that I have ever seen at ISU (they scored 130 2 weeks ago...) and now they know how to play defense. All I am wanting out of this non-con schedule is for them to learn how to put these two skills together in one game. Im sure that will happen and Im sure this will be a great season.
Go Cyclones.
Not having Georges Niang hurts some in the half court on offense, guys. When teams make us play in the half court (like Cincy did tonight), things probably won't be as smooth as last year.
It's not like we just decided to scrap tempo and offense in order to start trying to defend.
I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how many people that clearly have NO IDEA how basketball works can talk so 'matter of fact' on here.
It's not like we just decided to scrap tempo and offense in order to start trying to defend.
I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how many people that clearly have NO IDEA how basketball works can talk so 'matter of fact' on here.
If you want a real kick to the nuts there's a solid chance that Nigel Williams-Goss and/or Kyle Washington are wearing the cardinal and gold right now if TJ is the HC. Have a nice day.
Honestly, if Cinci hadn't gotten the bailout flop call at the end of overtime we probably get the ball back up 1 with 20 seconds left and have a much better chance to win the game. Sad to see something like that so directly effect the outcome.
And head coach TJ is currently 2-5 or 2-4. It's hard to know exactly what would have happened.
They had 4 superior defenders working their ass off all game so the transcendent offensive player didn't have to do anything defensively and could create just enough to pull games out on offense.
Well, no ****. There are a lot of things I like about him as a coach. He was pretty masterful last year. I think that he is actually pretty good at in game adjustments.
The end of games have been rough. But it's hard to know exactly how much of that is completely his fault. Sunday he called time out and people bitched. Tonight he didn't and people bitched. I'm pretty sure that the ****** shots we got off both days weren't what he was going for.
I will say that he was pretty specific on the radio on what he needs to get the team to do.
Just enough? They were great on both ends of the floor and dominated the conference going 27-5 over a two year period, with 4 of the 5 losses coming in ot.
How about every single Tom Izzo or Bill Self coached team ever? How do they ever function at a high level offensively? Their legs must be soo tired from being expected to defend.
Good god...
Don't move the goalposts or anything. If we had a full roster of only top 50 kids with a starting 5 comprised of only top 20 kids I doubt you'd be asking that question.
You are absolutely right. Monte has difficulty getting by more athletic guards. The only ones other than him who are able to get by their man are Burton and Bowie. That is something Niang was able to do and then dish out to an open shooter. The shooters are no longer open because their man is staying with them.
Burton is the second best passer on the team and had some fantastic passes today. I would like to see him in the role of Niang and get the ball at the top of the key. I think he will find the open shooters if they double him up on his drives.
