What this guy said. No one in the country thinks that outside of a few ISU fans... Doesn't mean it will work out better but come on guys.I'm not really sure how someone can think TJ is a great hire for ISU, but Porter Moser is a bad one for OU.
What this guy said. No one in the country thinks that outside of a few ISU fans... Doesn't mean it will work out better but come on guys.I'm not really sure how someone can think TJ is a great hire for ISU, but Porter Moser is a bad one for OU.
The new coaching staff has been talking about energy and working hard and an up front presence. That doesn’t sound like Hoiball. By all reports Fred’s top players worked hard outside practice on strength and shooting skills but on court energy wasn’t a program philosophy. Time will tell if there actually is a philosophy changeI've been told TJ is Hoiball 2.0. Okay, fine. Do you remember what type of team really gives that troubles? A slow, ball control physical system. I guess we will see.
I'm not really sure how someone can think TJ is a great hire for ISU, but Porter Moser is a bad one for OU.
He was only at ALR for 3 years, then at Illinois State 4 where it didn't work out. When he arrived at Loyola, they were under a massive rebuild, but their turnaround is very impressive.They are probably looking at the first 13 years of Moser’s head coaching career.
Was it impressive after Year 6 of that turnaround at Loyola? Moser was on the hot seat at Loyola in Year 5 and 6.He was only at ALR for 3 years, then at Illinois State 4 where it didn't work out. When he arrived at Loyola, they were under a massive rebuild, but their turnaround is very impressive.
I will say assistant coaches make a huge difference too. Moser hiring Drew Valentine 4 years ago seemed to coincide with the ascent of Loyola. The defense acquired their edge. Now he's the head coach there, and Moser doesn't have him at OU.
Kruger hired Jim Molinari as an asst. at OU two years ago, and the defense got much better. Shaka Smart had Will Wade with him at Virginia Commonwealth, but missed him at Texas. Beilein hired Luke Yaklich to rescue his defense at Michigan in 2017, and the results were instantaneous.
YesWas it impressive after Year 6 of that turnaround at Loyola? Moser was on the hot seat at Loyola in Year 5 and 6.
Just to be clear six consecutive years of below .500 in conference play equates to a great turnaround. Lol.
ISU will need to recruit about top 2-3 in the Big 12 in order to be around .500 in conference. Coaching is not going to win most games in the conference for ISU. I sure hope I am wrong.
Just to be clear six consecutive years of below .500 in conference play equates to a great turnaround. Lol.
Jim Whitesell (current coach at Buffalo) was at Loyola the seven years before Moser. He was 119-109 and 50-70 in conference. Moser was 33-73 in his first six years in the conference. I guess I’m not seeing this masterful rebuild through the first six seasons.
Or how bout, hear me out now, maybe it’s a great turnaround since they’ve won their conference 3 out of the last 4 years and have taken them to a sweet sixteen and final four in that stretch. We’re talking about Loyola here, a program before Moser that’s been to the tourney a total of 5 times in its 107 year history.Just to be clear six consecutive years of below .500 in conference play equates to a great turnaround. Lol.
Jim Whitesell (current coach at Buffalo) was at Loyola the seven years before Moser. He was 119-109 and 50-70 in conference. Moser was 33-73 in his first six years in the conference. I guess I’m not seeing this masterful rebuild through the first six seasons.
Nah, TJ will be better just cause he’s a Cyclone. Throw out all other evidence.Hmmm. They stepped up to a higher conference after year 2. Nobody's mentioning that. Looks like they kept a solid upward track, and won the CBI in his 4th year of a pretty huge project.
He's definitely better than our guy right now. Maybe TJ grows and surpasses him, or maybe we get what we pay for.
I'm not really sure how someone can think TJ is a great hire for ISU, but Porter Moser is a bad one for OU.
Hmmm. They stepped up to a higher conference after year 2. Nobody's mentioning that. Looks like they kept a solid upward track, and won the CBI in his 4th year of a pretty huge project.
He's definitely better than our guy right now. Maybe TJ grows and surpasses him, or maybe we get what we pay for.
I'd argue it was when Butler left.The higher conference argument is interesting. In the two years under Moser the Horizon was ranked 13th and 12th in Kenpom.
Missouri Valley in the 4 years before the Final 4 appearance were ranked 11th, 12th, 11th and 10th.
There was a slight upgrade but the Horizon wasn’t a low major at that time. It became a low major when Valpo went to the Valley.
And what I’m saying is that the last 4 years is a recruiting cycle; correct? Maybe Moser has it figured out and Oklahoma will become the Virginia of the Big 12. Or maybe the 13 years before the last 4 years is the more significant evidence and he will be another mid-major flameout.Or how bout, hear me out now, maybe it’s a great turnaround since they’ve won their conference 3 out of the last 4 years and have taken them to a sweet sixteen and final four in that stretch. We’re talking about Loyola here, a program before Moser that’s been to the tourney a total of 5 times in its 107 year history.
Certainly true. The combo of Butler with the history under Stevens and Valpo who was actually the powerhouse in the final two years of the Horizon really did them in.I'd argue it was when Butler left.
Just to be clear six consecutive years of below .500 in conference play equates to a great turnaround. Lol.
Jim Whitesell (current coach at Buffalo) was at Loyola the seven years before Moser. He was 119-109 and 50-70 in conference. Moser was 33-73 in his first six years in the conference. I guess I’m not seeing this masterful rebuild through the first six seasons.
Why are you arguing against Moser being a good coach when he has a F4 and S16 under his belt, along with multiple conference championships? At Loyola!
I can be selective with my stats too. Steve Prohm was 83-53 in his first 4 years with 3 tournament appearances and 2 B12 tournament titles. Does that mean he’s a good coach?
The new coaching staff has been talking about energy and working hard and an up front presence. That doesn’t sound like Hoiball. By all reports Fred’s top players worked hard outside practice on strength and shooting skills but on court energy wasn’t a program philosophy. Time will tell if there actually is a philosophy change