Pete Rose passed away...83 years old

[Cyballzz]

Mays and Mantle were banned because they worked for casino's at the time. So they could not hold an MLB job while they also represented gambling, but that is pretty much out the window now, as gambling is all over professional and college sports.

Put Rose into the HOF along with Joe Jackson, be sure to list after their accomplishments that they were given a lifetime ban for betting on the game.

Which makes the whole thing hypocritical... was it even a big deal in the 80's that Willie Mays and the Mick glad handed a bunch of people at a casino?

To me the HOF exists to tell the story of baseball... you can't tell the story of MLB without Pete Rose so he's in but like you said they have to tell the whole story.

Lets be honest though... Pete's "brand" was made bigger by him not being in the hall.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Which makes the whole thing hypocritical... was it even a big deal in the 80's that Willie Mays and the Mick glad handed a bunch of people at a casino?

To me the HOF exists to tell the story of baseball... you can't tell the story of MLB without Pete Rose so he's in but like you said they have to tell the whole story.

Lets be honest though... Pete's "brand" was made bigger by him not being in the hall.

It's the number one rule, posted in every clubhouse, NO GAMBLING. Rose broke the rule and then lied about it. He was a great player, without a doubt, but he knew the rule and thought it did not apply to him, and gambled on not just sports in general, and not only bet on baseball, but his own team.

 

[Kinch]

It's the number one rule, posted in every clubhouse, NO GAMBLING. Rose broke the rule and then lied about it. He was a great player, without a doubt, but he knew the rule and thought it did not apply to him, and gambled on not just sports in general, and not only bet on baseball, but his own team.

This.

 

[Cyismymonkey]

So?

Pete loved the game and played hard. That said, he didn’t do himself any favors by ruining Ray Fosses career in an exhibition game.

 

[Cyballzz]

It's the number one rule, posted in every clubhouse, NO GAMBLING. Rose broke the rule and then lied about it. He was a great player, without a doubt, but he knew the rule and thought it did not apply to him, and gambled on not just sports in general, and not only bet on baseball, but his own team.

If its integrity of the game how are guys like Whitey Ford and Gaylord Perry in? You have players in the 70's and 80's amped up out of their minds (including Pete). The current writers have already taken the PED stand. Tris Speaker was implicated in game fixing and he's in. Same with Ty Cobb.

Lets be honest there is already a ton of human garbage already in the Hall of Fame... guys like Cap Anson, Kennesaw Mountain Landis, Tom Yawkey. Rogers Horsby was in the KKK. More recently guys like Robbie Alomar, Bobby Cox and Kirby Puckett.

I am not arguing that Pete should have been allowed back in the game; far from it. I am also not arguing they should have let him in while he was alive; but if you are a "Museum" for baseball you have to have him in it now. The Halls job is to tell the story of the game and Pete is part of that story like it or not.

He's dead; he's not going to get the accolades and if the Hall is doing its job it tells it like it is... he was a bad guy off the field and degenerate gambler the hall is already full of gamblers, racists, drunks, spousal abusers, drug smugglers and cheaters so he fits right in.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

If its integrity of the game how are guys like Whitey Ford and Gaylord Perry in? You have players in the 70's and 80's amped up out of their minds (including Pete). The current writers have already taken the PED stand. Tris Speaker was implicated in game fixing and he's in. Same with Ty Cobb.

Lets be honest there is already a ton of human garbage already in the Hall of Fame... guys like Cap Anson, Kennesaw Mountain Landis, Tom Yawkey. Rogers Horsby was in the KKK. More recently guys like Robbie Alomar, Bobby Cox and Kirby Puckett.

I am not arguing that Pete should have been allowed back in the game; far from it. I am also not arguing they should have let him in while he was alive; but if you are a "Museum" for baseball you have to have him in it now. The Halls job is to tell the story of the game and Pete is part of that story like it or not.

He's dead; he's not going to get the accolades and if the Hall is doing its job it tells it like it is... he was a bad guy off the field and degenerate gambler the hall is already full of gamblers, racists, drunks, spousal abusers, drug smugglers and cheaters so he fits right in.

Rose will be elected in a couple of years at most, and yes, people have cheated in the past, but they have not gambled and been caught. If you allow people to gamble, its taints the game in the way that people will think some games are fixed, and people will lose interest. It will become the WWE, where the outcome is scripted and that is the last thing any professional league wants to happen.

This to me, this is a good outcome, Roes and Joe Jackson will get to be in the HOF, everyone can see what great players they were, but neither player gets to have the satisfaction of seeing it themselves, they gave up that right when they cheated and bet on the game.

 

[Cyballzz]

Rose will be elected in a couple of years at most, and yes, people have cheated in the past, but they have not gambled and been caught. If you allow people to gamble, its taints the game in the way that people will think some games are fixed, and people will lose interest. It will become the WWE, where the outcome is scripted and that is the last thing any professional league wants to happen.

This to me is a good outcome, Roes and Joe Jackson will get to be in the HOF, everyone can see what great players they were, but neither player gets to have the satisfaction of seeing it themselves, they gave up that right when they cheated and bet on the game.

I think we are in agreement here. I did not want Rose to get his "moment" but that has past with him being gone. Put him in, call him what he was on his plaque.

In all honesty they should say what all these guys are on their plaques. Cap Anson and Kennesaw Mountain Landis led the way for the segregated era. Tris Speaker fixed games. The hall owes it to its visitors to tell the entire story not just the part that isn't messy.