Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks

[SEIOWA CLONE]

This is actively being talked about as part of the alliance. At this time the big ten has no plans to add schools, the ACC really can't without decreasing their payouts, and the PAC might stand still in an agreement with the big ten to not poach their schools. Conversations already begun with USC and that is what forced the Alliance. SEC expansion caught everyone off guard and the Big Ten would rather things just stay how they are.

More dreaming by the Big 10, neither the Big 10 or Pac 12 is looking to expand until their media rights are completed, and that is fine with the time table of the the remaining Big 12 teams.
But after seeing how the SEC gobbled up OU and UT, why would the Pac 12 ever trust that the Big 10 is not going to do the same thing to them?

Since you have inside contact, please ask them why the Pac 12, currently the weakest of the remaining P4 conferences would stand pat, and not expand? Bringing in 4 to 6 former Big 12 teams increases the footprint of the conference, gets them into the central time zone big time, and will bring in more money to the conference. Actually increasing the money for each school.

Thanks

 

[Cydkar]

You literally know nothing. Move along.

I’ve got a pro tip.

 

[AuH2O]

This is actively being talked about as part of the alliance. At this time the big ten has no plans to add schools, the ACC really can't without decreasing their payouts, and the PAC might stand still in an agreement with the big ten to not poach their schools. Conversations already begun with USC and that is what forced the Alliance. SEC expansion caught everyone off guard and the Big Ten would rather things just stay how they are.

Sorry, but this is completely illogical. The PAC is in dire need to do something. The threat of stability in the PAC simply put is USC bolting. And you think the Big 10 can incentivize the PAC to not add teams by not poaching USC, thus keeping the member most likely to have a wandering eye in its financially wrecked conference as-is?

Any scheduling alliance is going to have a minimal impact. Oregon and USC already have big non-cons every year. Swapping out Oregon-Auburn for Oregon-Penn State isn’t going to make a damn bit of difference. Are they all going to start playing 2 or even 3 crossover games while maintaining a full conference slate? Even something radical like that is talking marginal per team dollar differences.

If what you claim is true, It is essentially the big 10 colluding with the other PAC members to limit opportunities for USC (and probably Oregon) to maintain a short term status quo. I will not call it stability, as it would be anything but stable.

Again, if you want stability in the PAC you need try to keep USC happy AND shore up a conference in horrible financial shape. Simply denying USC one such opportunity to make real money is an incredibly dumb strategy.

I don’t expect the PAC to come out and say they are expanding now. But if the dust settles on the OU UT mess if they stand pat they are dead conference walking. Everybody knows it. Yet you think a few non con games are going to change that?

 

[CloneGuy8]

One time a girl asked me if I wanted tulips on my organ, and it just confused me because I dont have a piano.

 

[2speedy1]

Again I have no insight as to what conversations are happening internally with the PAC12 only some details as to what the alliance consists of. I have no idea of what a scheduling plan would look like or even if the schools would all agree to it. The PAC could very well add some big8 schools but if it were obvious that those schools would increase the media payouts it would have already happened. The alliance is to keep the Big Ten from stealing USC and Oregon and to provide political power in setting up the terms for a new playoff and keep ESPN from consolidating their power. Its possible that grabbing some schools from the Big8 would be allowed but I haven't heard anything from the big ten side that says that is happening. If it did I imagine the Big8 schools would be getting a far smaller media cut then the rest of the schools but that is just speculation on my part.

Your funny, you say if the Pac was going to add someone they would have done it already, but at the same time say the B1G is going to add Pac Schools. Wouldn't the same thing have to be said, if the B1G was going to add Pac schools they would have done it already.

Fact of the matter is, no way this is true. There are way to many things in motion right now and too many things to figure out to get it done in a week or two. And saying hey we are going to just jump at a decision without actually discussing and and figuring out all the data, is just plain ignorant.

The same thing with all the posts that said that KU and ISU made a run at the B1G in the first few days and were shot down, No way anyone is making those kind of decisions in the first few days. While there may have been conversations no decisions were ever made that early.

My guess is no one outside a very small circle know what is really going on, or being discussed in any of these conferences and schools. And some of the initial ideas are just starting to be planned now. If the PAC says they are a couple weeks away from a decision, I would guess they will have who they want decided at that point, whether they offer right away if they do decide to offer will see.

I could see their "decision" could coincide with an announcement of the alliance. Meaning they announce the alliance and to or not to expand to strengthen etc the alliance at the same time. Same for the other conferences, in similar fashion.

Your sources probably tell you what you want to hear, the same non info that is all over fan boards and social media, just to appease you. Whether they have actual inside info or not. Sorry but no one is giving real info to just blab on boards to make him sound important. If they did information would be all over everywhere, this stuff is just kept too close to the chest for that.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I don't know anything about what is happening internally with the PAC but I cant think of anything they could do to increase their potential media earnings by the time of their next negotiation. They could add some big8 schools but that would most likely keep them consistent with their current media money not increase it. They really don't have very many cards to play

Really a poor look at the situation, since they are now in last place, they have no reason to play nice and try to get along with the Big 10. They only have to look at what happened to the Big 12 to realize that they could be next.

So they expand to bring the central time zone into play, thereby increasing the size of their next tv contract. There is VALUE in adding at least 4 schools, ISU, OSU, TT and one of the Kansas schools. Now that goes against what the Big 10 would like to see happen, which the other conferences sit tight, do not expand, and thereby getting closer to 2035 when the ACC schools come into play.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

Agreeing with a hawk fan forwarding the same old talking points doesn’t really help make your case about how heartbroken you will be

Mocking people’s emotions on a fansite seems like an admirable thing to do.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

So what the SEC doesnt run CFB. You are deluded.

We all think that, but in reality they do. Since 2006 the SEC has won the championship 11 out of 14 years. And its just not Alabama, also LSU, Auburn and Florida have won championships during that time span. Ohio St, Florida State and Clemson has each one one title. No other team has won anything.

Add now they have picked up OU and UT.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Really a poor look at the situation, since they are now in last place, they have no reason to play nice and try to get along with the Big 10. They only have to look at what happened to the Big 12 to realize that they could be next.

So they expand to bring the central time zone into play, thereby increasing the size of their next tv contract. There is VALUE in adding at least 4 schools, ISU, OSU, TT and one of the Kansas schools. Now that goes against what the Big 10 would like to see happen, which the other conferences sit tight, do not expand, and thereby getting closer to 2035 when the ACC schools come into play.

Here is the big problem: will adding those 4 teams increase the size of their TV contract and if so how much? The prevailing opinions seem to believe that those schools do not have the value to add at a full conference membership rate, a discounted one sure but a full has yet to be said anywhere. If the PAC were to add those schools and not be able to increase their media rights significantly higher then USC is going to want to bolt so that they don't fall too far behind. If there is this allince in place that the big ten and ACC wont take them then they really wont have anywhere to go. Its very possible that the "alliance" doesn't have a problem with the PAC12 adding those big8 schools. I have been told that part of the talks have been no expansion but I'm not 100% sure if that includes the big8 or not.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Mocking people’s emotions on a fansite seems like an admirable thing to do.

haha.

My 16 year old daughter says the same thing when she gets laughed at for pretending to be emotional when she gets called on making **** up

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Here is the big problem: will adding those 4 teams increase the size of their TV contract and if so how much? The prevailing opinions seem to believe that those schools do not have the value to add at a full conference membership rate, a discounted one sure but a full has yet to be said anywhere. If the PAC were to add those schools and not be able to increase their media rights significantly higher then USC is going to want to bolt so that they don't fall too far behind. If there is this allince in place that the big ten and ACC wont take them then they really wont have anywhere to go. Its very possible that the "alliance" doesn't have a problem with the PAC12 adding those big8 schools. I have been told that part of the talks have been no expansion but I'm not 100% sure if that includes the big8 or not.

No school that was added in the last round of expansion came in getting a full share, none. We have not heard if OU and UT will be getting a full share or not.

By not expanding then USC is going to bolt anyway, now aren't they? So do nothing, little increase in media rights and lose USC, or expand, hope that brings in enough money to keep USC happy and staying in the Pac 12.

You are giving us the Big 10 point of view, lets not do anything, and we will not try and take USC from the Pac. 12. We have no clue how much money USC is bringing in each year, since they are a private school. No way that USC is going to the ACC, so this is the Big 10 saying this.

To me, that is a no brain decision, you expand and see what happens.

 

[Beyerball]

Your funny, you say if the Pac was going to add someone they would have done it already, but at the same time say the B1G is going to add Pac Schools. Wouldn't the same thing have to be said, if the B1G was going to add Pac schools they would have done it already.

Fact of the matter is, no way this is true. There are way to many things in motion right now and too many things to figure out to get it done in a week or two. And saying hey we are going to just jump at a decision without actually discussing and and figuring out all the data, is just plain ignorant.

The same thing with all the posts that said that KU and ISU made a run at the B1G in the first few days and were shot down, No way anyone is making those kind of decisions in the first few days. While there may have been conversations no decisions were ever made that early.

My guess is no one outside a very small circle know what is really going on, or being discussed in any of these conferences and schools. And some of the initial ideas are just starting to be planned now. If the PAC says they are a couple weeks away from a decision, I would guess they will have who they want decided at that point, whether they offer right away if they do decide to offer will see.

I could see their "decision" could coincide with an announcement of the alliance. Meaning they announce the alliance and to or not to expand to strengthen etc the alliance at the same time. Same for the other conferences, in similar fashion.

Your sources probably tell you what you want to hear, the same non info that is all over fan boards and social media, just to appease you. Whether they have actual inside info or not. Sorry but no one is giving real info to just blab on boards to make him sound important. If they did information would be all over everywhere, this stuff is just kept too close to the chest for that.

Yes...The PAC12 only option right now and in the next 5 years are a few things:

1) Add 2-4 solid A8 programs that will bump up the avg tv viewership per game and..incredibly important..open up a new time zone.

2) Hope and pray that they get 2 teams in the coming new CFP to add revenue. Likelihood of this happening I'll put at 1%..

3) Convince Amazon or the like to drop more money than the PAC12 is worth. Unlikely to happen.

This is it. Keep in mind that the PAC12 has 100% ownership of their TV rights with the PACN. The conference owns it..unlike the BIG, ACC and SEC that is partnered with a ESPN/FOX.

ESPN and FOX simply don't have the budget to take ownership of the PACN and sink $$ into that drain hole.

Literally adding P5 teams from 1) A brand new state and 2) an entirely new time zone....instantly and significantly raises the value and revenue of the PACN..

When it comes to the PAC12 it isn't about whether FOX says its 'ok" to add teams....It is about growing and expanding the PACN..

 

[cycloneML]

One time a girl asked me if I wanted tulips on my organ, and it just confused me because I dont have a piano.

33 minutes after this post and no replies? I’m miffed.

 

[cycloneML]

Yes...The PAC12 only option right now and in the next 5 years are a few things:

1) Add 2-4 solid A8 programs that will bump up the avg tv viewership per game and..incredibly important..open up a new time zone.

2) Hope and pray that they get 2 teams in the coming new CFP to add revenue. Likelihood of this happening I'll put at 1%..

3) Convince Amazon or the like to drop more money than the PAC12 is worth. Unlikely to happen.

This is it. Keep in mind that the PAC12 has 100% ownership of their TV rights with the PACN. The conference owns it..unlike the BIG, ACC and SEC that is partnered with a ESPN/FOX.

ESPN and FOX simply don't have the budget to take ownership of the PACN and sink $$ into that drain hole.

Literally adding P5 teams from 1) A brand new state and 2) an entirely new time zone....instantly and significantly raises the value and revenue of the PACN..

When it comes to the PAC12 it isn't about whether FOX says its 'ok" to add teams....It is about growing and expanding the PACN..

It seems the solution is all about Fox and Amazon.

 

[Rods79]

He is powerless to keep those teams there if they want more media money. The alliance is the PAC being proactive and trying to keep their best teams where they are.

I don't know anything about what is happening internally with the PAC but I cant think of anything they could do to increase their potential media earnings by the time of their next negotiation. They could add some big8 schools but that would most likely keep them consistent with their current media money not increase it. They really don't have very many cards to play

Here is the big problem: will adding those 4 teams increase the size of their TV contract and if so how much? The prevailing opinions seem to believe that those schools do not have the value to add at a full conference membership rate, a discounted one sure but a full has yet to be said anywhere. If the PAC were to add those schools and not be able to increase their media rights significantly higher then USC is going to want to bolt so that they don't fall too far behind. If there is this allince in place that the big ten and ACC wont take them then they really wont have anywhere to go. Its very possible that the "alliance" doesn't have a problem with the PAC12 adding those big8 schools. I have been told that part of the talks have been no expansion but I'm not 100% sure if that includes the big8 or not.

WUT? A bit of a myopic lens there. How does USC or the PAC get anything out of agreeing to this alliance? B1G says they have a gentleman’s agreement to not take USC from the PAC (until they want to that is, or until USC begs the B1G to get out in the whole “hey, they came to me! I didn’t invite them!” situation), but also makes the PAC agree to not add any teams themselves to help their own failing financial situation? If there is a “no expansion” agreement between those conferences, it would only make sense that it only pertains to those teams currently in said conferences.

What it boils down to, for you, is the same BS being touted by ESPN that the Big 8 isn’t worth a damn.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

haha.

My 16 year old daughter says the same thing when she gets laughed at for pretending to be emotional when she gets called on making **** up

So, you are accusing me of making stuff up because of non-applicable behavior your daughter engaged in? Yeah…no. I have 4 degrees from ISU and I am born and raised in Ames. I can still be a realist. I am certainly not going to mock any other poster on this site…something you could learn from.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Literally adding P5 teams from 1) A brand new state and 2) an entirely new time zone....instantly and significantly raises the value and revenue of the PACN..

Does it add value though? Your commissioner threw you under the bus saying half your media value came from Texas and OU. That puts a price tag of 20mil per school to be a little generous. Lets bump that number up 25% since it would be new markets and you get 25mil. Thats 8 mil less then what each pac12 school makes right now. How is that going to put more money in the big schools pockets? If USC cant go to the big ten per the alliance their only choice would be to go independent (which would keep them out of the playoff) or join the SEC which i guess could happen but is beyond unlikely.

I really really hope ISU and KU get invites to the pac12 but there is a world were that doesn't happen for those reasons. Either a straight block from the alliance or for the numbers not matching up.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

WUT? A bit of a myopic lens there. How does USC or the PAC get anything out of agreeing to this alliance? B1G says they have a gentleman’s agreement to not take USC from the PAC (until they want to that is, or until USC begs the B1G to get out in the whole “hey, they came to me! I didn’t invite them!” situation), but also makes the PAC agree to not add any teams themselves to help their own failing financial situation? If there is a “no expansion” agreement between those conferences, it would only make sense that it only pertains to those teams currently in said conferences.

What it boils down to, for you, is the same BS being touted by ESPN that the Big 8 isn’t worth a damn.

USC is in a tough place with this "alliance" because there isn't a direct way to get the conference more money. What they get is a direct shot at the playoff each year. Like i posted above there is no one anywhere saying that adding those 4 teams get the pac12 any more money per team then they already have. Especially after your commish threw you under the bus saying that texas and OU were half the value of the media rights deal.

 

[Cyclones1969]

So, you are accusing me of making stuff up because of non-applicable behavior your daughter engaged in? Yeah…no. I have 4 degrees from ISU and I am born and raised in Ames. I can still be a realist. I am certainly not going to mock any other poster on this site…something you could learn from.

If this breaks your heart so much, then maybe you should take a break.

if you’re this negative in real life, there are people that can help.

Good luck to you finding the help you need

 

[Cyclones1969]

Does it add value though? Your commissioner threw you under the bus saying half your media value came from Texas and OU. That puts a price tag of 20mil per school to be a little generous. Lets bump that number up 25% since it would be new markets and you get 25mil. Thats 8 mil less then what each pac12 school makes right now. How is that going to put more money in the big schools pockets? If USC cant go to the big ten per the alliance their only choice would be to go independent (which would keep them out of the playoff) or join the SEC which i guess could happen but is beyond unlikely.

I really really hope ISU and KU get invites to the pac12 but there is a world were that doesn't happen for those reasons. Either a straight block from the alliance or for the numbers not matching up.

This is leading me to become curious as to why you are so invested in coming to an Iowa State site to let them know that they will be relegated out of the p4.

I mean you and that cu guy showed up saying much the same things for a program you have no affiliation with But continue to say the same things.

if this is what you do for entertainment, that’s unique. But you’re definitely here for a reason.