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FWIW my name is not David. But you can call me that if it makes you feel better.
Sorry, it's never been harder. It's a pretty well know fact that Fred started the emphasis on recruiting transfers and filling out rosters to win that way. His scout team one year was purely transfers. Heck, Rothstein just said as much today.
Jon RothsteinVerified account @JonRothstein 15h15 hours ago
Nevada is the Triple A version of what Fred Hoiberg built at Iowa State in terms of transfers. The Martin twins, Jordan Caroline shine in win over URI.
Fred started it and other top programs copied his formula. The transfer game is entirely different today. I don't even know if Fred would have success recruiting against the blue bloods for transfers in today's market.
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False.
Notice he said Nevada. That’s the problem, Prohm can’t recruit transfers as well as a Mountain West team.
It’s easier now to recruit to ISU than when Fred started, and that’s not limited to high school guys. There are more transfers than ever. ISU is known for it, as mentioned by recruits, and had more to sell than 90% of the country.
Some of you act like Fred invented transfers. He didn’t. He and his staff were just better at recruiting them than Prohm and Co.
You can't just wave away the fact that we had two 100% wasted recruiting classes. Guys from those classes should be the juniors and seniors leading this team right now.
Our success was built around a core of 4-year guys that we plugged transfers into as needed. The problem is, once we had those guys we didn't bother to recruit the next generation that would make up the core. So instead we're now throwing our new core of underclassmen straight into the fire and trying to somehow plug transfers into that mess. I'll give you that Prohm has underwhelmed as far as transfer recruiting goes, but even that would just be trying to patch a foundation that wasn't built to last.
The rebuild was supposed to start last season, regardless of who was coaching this team. Monte and Naz being back postponed it.
All that said, yes last night was so bad that it couldn't reasonably be blamed on any of this. It's hopefully the worst game these guys play all year. This isn't a good team but I don't expect that level of spectacularly awful in every way to be the norm.
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You’re like JSb on Hoiberg.
If it upsets you this much maybe you should take up a hobby during the winter so you don’t have to watch.
Exactly if he keeps doing what he's doing we're going to have some damn good teams in the near future. I love what prohm has done so far at Iowa State.
I'd actually say its harder now because Otz isn't on staff. Lets not forget Otz got NBA talent here in the absolute darkest age of this program.
My biggest concern was the ability for Prohm to recruit after Otz. No worries now.
He didn't "invent" transfers, but he was the first to go all-in on attracting as many as possible. There are more transfers, but as I mentioned previously, that doesn't mean there are more high-level transfers. We were getting the cream of the crop. That's not the case anymore.
Who were we competing with when Hoiberg was going after transfers? Who were we competing with this season for transfers? It makes a big difference and is the primary reason we aren't getting the high-level guys we were before.
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Prohm has been pretty bad at getting good grad transfers; hopefully Brase is one we look back on as being a good grad transfer.
He is doing a very good job on the high school recruiting trail. That just probably means we'll have to be patient for a year or two before being where we were. It's going to be frustrating this year, but I can stomach it knowing we'll be much better in the near future.
He is doing a very good job on the high school recruiting trail. That just probably means we'll have to be patient for a year or two before being where we were. It's going to be frustrating this year, but I can stomach it knowing we'll be much better in the near future.
TBH I think we are much like Iowa was last year. They started the season 4-6 and turned it around. Obviously Big 12 play has a lot less cupcakes then the Big Ten. Another comparison is TCU, but IDK what their non-con was like. I hope we get into the NIT this year. Yesterday was a terrible game, but I feel like the guys will grow from it and compete hard this weekend. I think this tournament is very important for the confidence of these players and coaching staff playing three winnable games.
Even if our recruiting is horrible we should be able to put together a team that can at least play with Milwaukee.... there is literally no excuse unless these past couple of games were an anomaly ...
A class of Lewis, Wigginton May be top-25, but it’s a long ways from actually being good.
There are more high level transfers. And there are more good transfers. It’s easier for ISU now, and certainly not so hard we should end up with an open spot and a mediocre SWAC player.
White was sought after by Kentucky. But the fact is recruiting transfers was harder then, which is why Hoiberg’s best skill was getting discounted goods. We were not getting the premium transfers then. He bought low and sold high, which took good evaluation, as well as connections. Getting 2 for 1s instead of wasting spots on a Holden. Getting inefficient but talented MAC players. Getting guys with troubled pasts that many others were afraid to take.
It’s a false narrative that it’s harder now for Prohm. It was so hard for Hoiberg that we rarely got even a visit from the most sought after transfers.
If you aren’t going to be at least objective enough to give credit where it’s due, then you’re not here for discussion.
Credit for what?
I’ve never judged a recruiting class based on rankings. I’ve been clear for awhile that I wasn’t sold on Wigginton, and if you’re of that opinion, you’re not terribly satisfied with that class. No one has ever gotten more good will from a average freshman than Prohm has from Wigginton. As we now see, that class fell far short of being good in the context of adding sufficient talent to avoid being bad.
Per 247
2017 Recruiting Class was 55th
2018 Recruiting Class we are currently 27th.
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