****Official Class Of 2023 Recruiting Thread****

[NorthCyd]

To my knowledge, there isn't a law. There is a court case that said they could not prevent players from making money from their NIL. There should be room to make adjustments in landscape around that, probably in terms of eligibility when transferring.

There was a supreme court case decision that said the NCAA could not impose restrictions on educational benefits. There was a minority opinion in that case written by justice Kavanaugh that said he felt the NCAA was also violating federal law in restricting non-educational benefits. So there is actually a law that says the NCAA can't limit NIL, at least in one justices opinion.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Actually, all there are right now are state laws that regulate NIL. No court case and no federal law as of yet. They aren't going to go backwards in terms of the transfer rules. Right now the problem is that technically it is against the rules to offer inducements but a lot of these NIL deals are inducements. While there isn't any language in the contracts it is obvious that they are only getting the deal to go to a certain school. How do you police that though? Make it against the rules to contact any entity involved in NIL until after you are committed and signed to play somewhere? But that likely could be skirted very easily by contacting someone close to them and saying, if he comes here we will give him x.
Sidenote, but I am betting at some point a kid will get scammed by someone and they won't actually get the money they were contracted to get.

I don't think there's a way to effectively police compensation, which is why I believe it would have to come about via transfer rules. A few years of musical chairs bidding could destroy the popularity of the sport. Sitting a year after transferring would change the math on this thing significantly.

 

[GoldCy]

NCAA can't do anything. There's a law that says they can't. Like, a federal law.

There is nothing forcing schools to belong to the NCAA. An organization that is governed by it's members and the rules they initiate. Individuals commit to accept scholarships (pay) from those institutions. Contracts (LoI) can be structured that they agree to abide by the rules. Those agreements (contracts) can cover assignment of any other rights. Personal service Contracts we're once used to pay athletes, celebrities, etc. Those were some of the first big. $$$ deals. Pro golfers still use contract similar to get backers to help them gain status.
The havs would never agree and that would initiate a breakaway group of at least 20.
Maybe it's time to move in that direction. Those schools could drop the sham academic requirements as well.

 

[allfourcy]

Admittedly, most of you understand this stuff far better than I do. Especially law-wise. And most on here aren't against players getting compensated for NIL, but don't want it going to the highest bidder. What I don't get is those that say it wont ruin the sport. I guess if you always want the same 'big rich dogs' or 'elite teams' to be in the Elite 8, or Sweet 16 every year, you might. I, for one, enjoyed watching us beat LSU/Wisc, St. Peters beat UK & Purdue, and Richmond beat Iowa.

 

[Halincandenza]

Admittedly, most of you understand this stuff far better than I do. Especially law-wise. And most on here aren't against players getting compensated for NIL, but don't want it going to the highest bidder. What I don't get is those that say it wont ruin the sport. I guess if you always want the same 'big rich dogs' or 'elite teams' to be in the Elite 8, or Sweet 16 every year, you might. I, for one, enjoyed watching us beat LSU/Wisc, St. Peters beat UK & Purdue, and Richmond beat Iowa.

Well Kentucky is paying millions to the player who led them this year and they lost to St. Peters. Paying kids a lot of money doesn't guarantee success.

 

[Clonefan32]

Admittedly, most of you understand this stuff far better than I do. Especially law-wise. And most on here aren't against players getting compensated for NIL, but don't want it going to the highest bidder. What I don't get is those that say it wont ruin the sport. I guess if you always want the same 'big rich dogs' or 'elite teams' to be in the Elite 8, or Sweet 16 every year, you might. I, for one, enjoyed watching us beat LSU/Wisc, St. Peters beat UK & Purdue, and Richmond beat Iowa.

As long as basketball continues to be played 5 on 5 you will have upsets. Are we really going to act like St. Peter's wasn't completely out-talented this year by UK? I get it makes their lives easier because what used to be done in the shadows can be done in the open. Texas had one of the most talented rosters in America this year. They finished 4th in the Big 12 and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament. Because things like chemistry and playing time matter.

Is it a different landscape? Sure. But so long as there is one ball and 5 players allowed on the court at a time per team basketball upsets aren't going anywhere.

 

[allfourcy]

As long as basketball continues to be played 5 on 5 you will have upsets. Are we really going to act like St. Peter's wasn't completely out-talented this year by UK? I get it makes their lives easier because what used to be done in the shadows can be done in the open. Texas had one of the most talented rosters in America this year. They finished 4th in the Big 12 and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament. Because things like chemistry and playing time matter.

Is it a different landscape? Sure. But so long as there is one ball and 5 players allowed on the court at a time per team basketball upsets aren't going anywhere.

I get that. But for the 'majority' of games, you can't tell me a team (due to NIL) with now maybe 6 to 7 four and five-star players won't beat the teams with a full team of only lower 2 & 3 stars over the course of the season.

 

[qwerty]

As long as basketball continues to be played 5 on 5 you will have upsets. Are we really going to act like St. Peter's wasn't completely out-talented this year by UK? I get it makes their lives easier because what used to be done in the shadows can be done in the open. Texas had one of the most talented rosters in America this year. They finished 4th in the Big 12 and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament. Because things like chemistry and playing time matter.

Is it a different landscape? Sure. But so long as there is one ball and 5 players allowed on the court at a time per team basketball upsets aren't going anywhere.

I get that. But for the 'majority' of games, you can't tell me a team (due to NIL) with now maybe 6 to 7 four and five-star players won't beat the teams with a full team of only lower 2 & 3 stars over the course of the season.

I like it. Every team gets a $1 million NIL limit. If your players exceed that, the other team gets extra players (on the court). Maybe, one extra player for every $500k over? Since they are buying the best players, those 5 players should be able to guard 7 "lesser" players, right?

 

[Halincandenza]

As long as basketball continues to be played 5 on 5 you will have upsets. Are we really going to act like St. Peter's wasn't completely out-talented this year by UK? I get it makes their lives easier because what used to be done in the shadows can be done in the open. Texas had one of the most talented rosters in America this year. They finished 4th in the Big 12 and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament. Because things like chemistry and playing time matter.

Is it a different landscape? Sure. But so long as there is one ball and 5 players allowed on the court at a time per team basketball upsets aren't going anywhere.

I actually don't think Texas had one of the most talented rosters. I thought their talent was a little overblown.

 

[Halincandenza]

I get that. But for the 'majority' of games, you can't tell me a team (due to NIL) with now maybe 6 to 7 four and five-star players won't beat the teams with a full team of only lower 2 & 3 stars over the course of the season.

Well, that is how things worked before NIL.

 

[allfourcy]

Well, that is how things worked before NIL.

So you're saying the Tyrese Hunter scenario would have happened anyway without NIL, just out of sight?

 

[Clonefan32]

I actually don't think Texas had one of the most talented rosters. I thought their talent was a little overblown.

According to this publication they got 5 out of the top 25 transfers, plus Askew who was Top 50.

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Added to a pretty solid returning backcourt with Ramey, Jones and Febres.

 

[Halincandenza]

So you're saying the Tyrese Hunter scenario would have happened anyway without NIL, just out of sight?

No, the teams with more talent, won more often than not. And we don't know if Hunter would have left previously or not?

 

[Halincandenza]

According to this publication they got 5 out of the top 25 transfers:

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Added to a pretty solid returning backcourt with Ramey, Jones and Febres.

Yeah, that is what I am saying though. I think some of those guys talent was overblown through the transfer rankings.

 

[CyPunch]

Texas' roster has been both old and uber talented 2 years in a row now. Both years they basically did nothing which is so on brand. Will be old and talented again next year btw.

 

[Clonefan32]

Yeah, that is what I am saying though. I think some of those guys talent was overblown through the transfer rankings.

Possibly. To my untrained eye it was a team that couldn't figure out rotations and role allocation creating bad chemistry.

 

[Tpups21]

Dn’t know if posted yet, but…Rivals Futurecast Biliew to ISU.

Omaha Biliew SOPHOMORE Power Forward Wake Forest

Omaha Biliew - Power forward for Wake Forest on DeaconsIllustrated

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I’ve been hearing rumors about Biliew reclassifying in the ‘22 class. Can anyone confirm?

 

[isufbcurt]

I’ve been hearing rumors about Biliew reclassifying in the ‘22 class. Can anyone confirm?

Get that money sooner

 

[LLCoolCY]

Update with Milan Momcilovic. ISU looks to be recruiting him the hardest, but KU and Coach Cal got each other’s attention this past weekend.

Side note, Milan doesn’t lack confidence in his game.

Kentucky watches stock-rising sharpshooter Milan Momcilovic

Milan Momcilovic is one of the biggest (and quickest) stock-risers in the class of 2023, and he's gotten Kentucky's attention

www.on3.com

 

[cyclonehomer]

Update with Milan Momcilovic. ISU looks to be recruiting him the hardest, but KU and Coach Cal got each other’s attention this past weekend.

Side note, Milan doesn’t lack confidence in his game.

Kentucky watches stock-rising sharpshooter Milan Momcilovic

Milan Momcilovic is one of the biggest (and quickest) stock-risers in the class of 2023, and he's gotten Kentucky's attention

www.on3.com

Not surprised to see him blow up. He's really good.