*** Official #12 IOWA STATE vs Missouri Game(Day) Thread ***

[ZRF]

Wrong, in my opinion.

I love the people who come to Jones' defense but offer little in the way outside of anecdotes on how he is actually 'contributing'. He routinely comes in to botch low post opportunities, miss defensive assignments, commit fouls, and engage in other laughable gaffes. I don't blame him for that as he plays hard and tries his best, but at some point the coaching staff needs to come to grips that he is not a positive contributor for this team, and in this conference on most nights.

Tre King is thrice the player Jones is while having worlds more versatility, on both ends. His minutes suggest the staff is coming around to that. If only they would come around to realizing this team is better, and plays better, when Jones isn't on the floor.

If it was all about effort and heart, Hawley would be a starter. This is big time college basketball and BRE is showing, on almost an every game basis, that he can't hack it against good to elite competition. It is what it is.

 

[ZRF]

K-State is more about Nowell and Johnson. Sure, Nowell went off, but their not close without both.

Johnson is a key players, but Nowell is THE key player. He can score from anywhere and is the guy who starts (key word) the defensive breakdowns that allow guys like Johnson to shine. Half of Kstates points are attributed to Nowell (points and assists). Watching him play only reinforces what the stats indicate.

He is there best and most important player and it's not particularly close.

 

[jereseib]

This is big time college basketball and BRE is showing, on almost an every game basis, that he can't hack it against good to elite competition.

Yeah, I really liked him earlier in the season but the last couple weeks have become a comedy show whenever he's on the court. He just can't hack it against elite competition.

TJ needs to man up and tell him absolute no shooting unless you have a wide open dunk. Everytime he touches the ball its a turnover or wild miss.

He had a play yesterday where he missed a point blank layup, ran down the court and got the weakest foul ever so it was a 3 point play for Missouri. 5 point swing in the span of 10 seconds isn't going to cut it.

 

[ZRF]

It wouldn't matter what Rob did, you would be after him with describing him as worthless, sucks, etc. The same thing happened last year with Gabe and Conditt. Somehow we just expect ISU to play with squad level depth and the players to play a certain way for 40 minutes.

There's just this weird emotional maturity of a middle schooler complex that goes on with grown adults toward college kids that at some point has to be at least a little embarrassing.

Rob is like the rest of the team; if he gets out of playing within himself, it can go south quickly. He's not alone in this and it's a pretty typical trait of athletes.

It's kind of ironic you point out maturity when you are choosing take contribution assessments completely out of context, for seemingly no other reason than to be upset. You are making this out to be personal when it's not. If anything, my comments are an indictment of the staff on their failure to allot playing time comiserate with BREs performance. BRE just isn't a 15 to 20 minute a game on this team and in this league. We have better players, better combinations, and perform better when he's not on the floor.

I'd love to see him strong together several solid performances and would accordingly chance my narrative if he did. But I'm not expecting or waiting for that to happen. Respectfully I'm not sure how or why the coaching staff would either.

 

[jayhawkhater]

I feel like the staff and team mailed it in this game.

It appeared that way or at least were not ready to play for whatever reason. It happens, time to move on.

 

[isufbcurt]

I love the people who come to Jones' defense but offer little in the way outside of anecdotes on how he is actually 'contributing'. He routinely comes in to botch low post opportunities, miss defensive assignments, commit fouls, and engage in other laughable gaffes. I don't blame him for that as he plays hard and tries his best, but at some point the coaching staff needs to come to grips that he is not a positive contributor for this team, and in this conference on most nights.

Tre King is thrice the player Jones is while having worlds more versatility, on both ends. His minutes suggest the staff is coming around to that. If only they would come around to realizing this team is better, and plays better, when Jones isn't on the floor.

If it was all about effort and heart, Hawley would be a starter. This is big time college basketball and BRE is showing, on almost an every game basis, that he can't hack it against good to elite competition. It is what it is.

Why aren't you on the ISU bench since you have all the answers? I'm sure TJ would love to have the greatest basketball mind alive on his bench.

 

[CyNews]

I love the people who come to Jones' defense but offer little in the way outside of anecdotes on how he is actually 'contributing'. He routinely comes in to botch low post opportunities, miss defensive assignments, commit fouls, and engage in other laughable gaffes. I don't blame him for that as he plays hard and tries his best, but at some point the coaching staff needs to come to grips that he is not a positive contributor for this team, and in this conference on most nights.

Tre King is thrice the player Jones is while having worlds more versatility, on both ends. His minutes suggest the staff is coming around to that. If only they would come around to realizing this team is better, and plays better, when Jones isn't on the floor.

If it was all about effort and heart, Hawley would be a starter. This is big time college basketball and BRE is showing, on almost an every game basis, that he can't hack it against good to elite competition. It is what it is.

Get off the kid. He’ll be fine.

 

[madguy30]

It's kind of ironic you point out maturity when you are choosing take contribution assessments completely out of context, for seemingly no other reason than to be upset. You are making this out to be personal when it's not. If anything, my comments are an indictment of the staff on their failure to allot playing time comiserate with BREs performance. BRE just isn't a 15 to 20 minute a game on this team and in this league. We have better players, better combinations, and perform better when he's not on the floor.

I'd love to see him strong together several solid performances and would accordingly chance my narrative if he did. But I'm not expecting or waiting for that to happen. Respectfully I'm not sure how or why the coaching staff would either.

Pretty much any post you have with these 'assessments', even when it's positive, finds a way to slam Jones specifically.

There's assessing a player and then there's calling them worthless, etc. Do you see the difference?

What are these better combinations that you speak of in late January with lots of season left to still figure out the best combinations vs. different situations? Do you want Shoon to be tired at the end of a game when stops or just getting a bucket are pivotal? Was it good for you to see him struggle with bunnies late vs. Okie State even with 23 minutes?

Can you acknowledge that not everything happens in a vacuum for fans?

 

[ZRF]

Pretty much any post you have with these 'assessments', even when it's positive, finds a way to slam Jones specifically.

There's assessing a player and then there's calling them worthless, etc. Do you see the difference?

What are these better combinations that you speak of in late January with lots of season left to still figure out the best combinations vs. different situations? Do you want Shoon to be tired at the end of a game when stops or just getting a bucket are pivotal? Was it good for you to see him struggle with bunnies late vs. Okie State even with 23 minutes?

Can you acknowledge that not everything happens in a vacuum for fans?

Easy. You have Tre play and defend the post when Shoon is out. He's not much shorter than Jones as it is and with his long arms and physical presence, he's better at defending and denying entries.

 

[ZRF]

Get off the kid. He’ll be fine.

You sound like the type that would wait to get off the Titanic until it hit the ocean floor.

 

[ZRF]

Why aren't you on the ISU bench since you have all the answers? I'm sure TJ would love to have the greatest basketball mind alive on his bench.

Nice hyperbole. Never said or portrayed that I have all the answers. But when it comes to Jones' minutes and production the solution is obvious.

 

[isufbcurt]

Nice hyperbole. Never said or portrayed that I have all the answers. But when it comes to Jones' minutes and production the solution is obvious.

We get it you know the personnel better than the coaches who are around them all the time.

 

[AlCyJim]

Why aren't you on the ISU bench since you have all the answers? I'm sure TJ would love to have the greatest basketball mind alive on his bench.

why is it every year ISU fans pick out a player and ride them, nothing they do is good enough for them. BRE does what he can to help the team. he was not the sole reason the team lost yesterday. Why not get on grill for not playing? just suck it up you should say. and how many of the great coaches on here have coached at any level? Can't we just enjoy what we have as fans and here will come all the comments about mediocrity

 

[CyNews]

You sound like the type that would wait to get off the Titanic until it hit the ocean floor.

Watch and learn.

 

[SoleCyclone]

why is it every year ISU fans pick out a player and ride them, nothing they do is good enough for them. BRE does what he can to help the team. he was not the sole reason the team lost yesterday. Why not get on grill for not playing? just suck it up you should say. and how many of the great coaches on here have coached at any level? Can't we just enjoy what we have as fans and here will come all the comments about mediocrity

I would say it should be a little bit more on the coaching decisions rather than BRE. We see his obvious limitations, I just don't understand his utilization rate. Seems to take 6-8 shots a game in 15min. On the other hand, Watson gets usually around the same amount of minutes and can somehow rarely look for a shot. It's doable. For some reason, BRE continues to get chances. Shockingly even more than Osun. SMH

 

[AlCyJim]

I would say it should be a little bit more on the coaching decisions rather than BRE. We see his obvious limitations, I just don't understand his utilization rate. Seems to take 6-8 shots a game in 15min. On the other hand, Watson gets usually around the same amount of minutes and can somehow rarely look for a shot. It's doable. For some reason, BRE continues to get chances. Shockingly even more than Osun. SMH

sometimes I wish BRE never touched the ball on offense, but think he works hard on rebounding. reminds me of conduit last year not smooth and that is where he gets a lot of his fouls. but I like him for the energy he brings. If watson is not looking for his shot then coaches need to get him thinking offense

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Nice hyperbole. Never said or portrayed that I have all the answers. But when it comes to Jones' minutes and production the solution is obvious.

I think other than the local outrage crew looking as always to argue for argument sake.....most agree with you about Jones.

But when you say....

Jones shouldn't be out there. He sucks.

.....then that's a bit much. There is a place for him.

With that said, if Lipsey isn't going to be allowed to shoot 3's even when they sag.....then ol Bob needs to shut down his offense as well and concentrate on rebounding and screening. Because I'm not so sure a point blank layup for Bob is a higher percentage shot than a 3 by Lipsey.

 

[ZRF]

I think other than the local outrage crew looking as always to argue for argument sake.....most agree with you about Jones.

But when you say....



.....then that's a bit much. There is a place for him.

With that said, if Lipsey isn't going to be allowed to shoot 3's even when they sag.....then ol Bob needs to shut down his offense as well and concentrate on rebounding and screening. Because I'm not so sure a point blank layup for Bob is a higher percentage shot than a 3 by Lipsey.

I agree with the latter. Bob in the post simply isn't a threat and often leads to TOs or botched possessions. In the case of Lipsey, he needs to probably shoot 3 or so 3s a game as: the wide open and in rhythm opportunities are there and by doing so (and likely needed being decent enough at it) it will extend the defense and open up more driving opportunities for him. Additionally he needs to make those decisions quicker, regardless what he does as he often thinks about it (like he wants to) then kind of gets out of sorts off that hesitation.

 

[Althetuna]

Doesn't look like the loss hurt ISU much. If sitting Grill helps with his back, looks like it was well played by the coaching staff.