Non-Con schedule out
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ISU has gotten into some great 3 game MTEs the last decade but if they’re going down to 2 games moving forward my hope is that a home/home can be scheduled with a solid program.
the catch 22 with being in elite MTEs is that really only allows for 1 big home game each year in the non con
That was the basic outline but it was UNI offering and ISU declining.
Ames-Des Moines-Ames-Cedar Falls-Ames. Basically a 4-for-1.
Iowa State has all the leverage. It's water under the bridge for me. Both programs need to do whatever they feel is in their best interest and that doesn't include playing each other in today's world.
Right, then they'll question Otz's future here when we have 6 losses before January!
We had the #11 SOS out of 362 teams last season. There's no need to make sure we are #1 most difficult schedule. This will again very easily be a top 20 SOS in the nation.
Don't fall for the misinformation from people whose goal is to destroy the Big 12.
Yes our conference schedule is tough enough as it is but you see it every year when they start comparing tournament resumes the non conference SOS gets brought into the conversation. How much that plays into a factor probably varies from year to year and case by case comparison when it comes to seeding but it surely does to some extent.
I would rather watch more competitive games than blowing out no name schools that sometimes I have never heard of for the bulk of November and December. Not saying we need to load up on a bunch of P6 games but adding a couple more then sprinkling in some better small schools would not be a bad thing to prepare for the meat grinder Big 12 schedule. Still need some cupcake warm ups early too. Maybe not a popular take for some here but I would like to think we've built a program under TJ where we would like some tough non conference games to test us early and prepare for conference season. Many of these cupcakes we play our bench players could probably play 30 minutes and beat most of them.
If you take three of the Maui games and put them on the press release that was sent out peoples reaction would be much different. Since those games just show as "Maui Invitational" everyone's eyes gravitate to all of the weak teams.
There's some truth here but you only can't be dead last in non conf, just need to be comparable to an average power conference team. This year's non conf should be 50-100 spots better than last year and that's plenty.
ISU is not going to be rewarded for having 12 losses instead of 10 because they bumped their schedule from #11 in the nation to #1. You need to be a major media brand to get that treatment.
It is true.
They irrationally counted non conf SOS and total SOS equally last year...and non conf is already part of total SOS so it is counted twice where your conference games only get counted once and only as a % of your total SOS.
It's completely irrational, the people making that decision are corrupt or can't understand basic math. Total SOS is all that should matter.
If they must split it out they should balance conference only, non conf and total, at least that way non conf isn't more important than actual meaningful games in Dec/Feb. The Big 12 would dominate 2 of those three regardless of non conf schedules and it would expose some teams in "power" conferences where the entire bottom half is total dog $***.
An old argument was "teams can't control their conference schedule". I REALLY hate that now because the obvious truth is that the Big Ten and SEC have controlled the conference schedule for all teams for the past decade. The SEC and Big Ten, in their expansion, decided to turn the Big 12 into a basketball superconference by passing on Kansas, Arizona, Houston, WVU, UConn, etc and adding Nebraska and Rutgers to make their own conferences super average. They did it on purpose, side effect was their leagues blow and the Big 12 is a gauntlet.
Even beyond that, saying you can't control something doesn't change the reality of if your conference is easy or tough.
I’ve learned in life no matter what you do there’s always going to be someone ***** and complain. Excited for November!
CycloneErik
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Good point. There are situations where non-con schedules might be relevant. Just not us last year.
ISU wasn't a bad team that magically got good.
I think it's more like ISU had played nothing but hot garbage, and even jumping the competition up to teams with a pulse was a problem. The only good team in that tournament was A&M, who also was down two starters.
I mean we were also down Ward, and I don't think at the time we appreciated how big of a loss that was. And we lost him right before that tournament so there was really little time to adjust to him being out
This year's schedule is fine. Just flipping absolutely trash DePaul for a mid-pack Big East team would've made a big difference.
ISU doesn't need a stacked non-con. Anything better than the hot garbage last year is a step up and good enough, provided a solid Big 12 season.
