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id heard ISU offered UNI
year 1 Ames
year 2 Des Moines
year 3 Cedar Falls
year 4 Ames
(or some combo of that)

and UNI declined

@1UNI2ISU can maybe confirm if he'd heard similar
 

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ISU has gotten into some great 3 game MTEs the last decade but if they’re going down to 2 games moving forward my hope is that a home/home can be scheduled with a solid program.

the catch 22 with being in elite MTEs is that really only allows for 1 big home game each year in the non con
 

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id heard ISU offered UNI
year 1 Ames
year 2 Des Moines
year 3 Cedar Falls
year 4 Ames
(or some combo of that)

and UNI declined

@1UNI2ISU can maybe confirm if he'd heard similar
That was the basic outline but it was UNI offering and ISU declining.

Ames-Des Moines-Ames-Cedar Falls-Ames. Basically a 4-for-1.

Iowa State has all the leverage. It's water under the bridge for me. Both programs need to do whatever they feel is in their best interest and that doesn't include playing each other in today's world.
 
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That was the basic outline but it was UNI offering and ISU declining.

Ames-Des Moines-Ames-Cedar Falls-Ames. Basically a 4-for-1.

Iowa State has all the leverage. It's water under the bridge for me. Both programs need to do whatever they feel is in their best interest and that doesn't include playing each other in today's world.
thanks for clarifying
 
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Minus Maui and Marquette, this is pure garbage again. We should be better than this ****.

We had the #11 SOS out of 362 teams last season. There's no need to make sure we are #1 most difficult schedule. This will again very easily be a top 20 SOS in the nation.

Don't fall for the misinformation from people whose goal is to destroy the Big 12.
 
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This narrative needs to die.
Yes our conference schedule is tough enough as it is but you see it every year when they start comparing tournament resumes the non conference SOS gets brought into the conversation. How much that plays into a factor probably varies from year to year and case by case comparison when it comes to seeding but it surely does to some extent.

I would rather watch more competitive games than blowing out no name schools that sometimes I have never heard of for the bulk of November and December. Not saying we need to load up on a bunch of P6 games but adding a couple more then sprinkling in some better small schools would not be a bad thing to prepare for the meat grinder Big 12 schedule. Still need some cupcake warm ups early too. Maybe not a popular take for some here but I would like to think we've built a program under TJ where we would like some tough non conference games to test us early and prepare for conference season. Many of these cupcakes we play our bench players could probably play 30 minutes and beat most of them.
 
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Sure but Maui is a stacked tournament so there should be at least 2-3 Quad 1 games in there so assuming they win most of them, they should have a strong enough OOC resume to compete for a potential 1 seed.

Iowa State never seems to play a strong non-conference schedule. The strong non-conference scheds usually belong to the blue bloods that get their showcase games.

It doesn't matter anyway because the Big 12 is going to bring the strength of schedule way up.

If you take three of the Maui games and put them on the press release that was sent out peoples reaction would be much different. Since those games just show as "Maui Invitational" everyone's eyes gravitate to all of the weak teams.
 

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We had the #11 SOS out of 362 teams last season. There's no need to make sure we are #1 most difficult schedule. This will again very easily be a top 20 SOS in the nation.

Don't fall for the misinformation from people whose goal is to destroy the Big 12.

When the non con gets counted twice unfortunately yeah it does matter.
 

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When the non con gets counted twice unfortunately yeah it does matter.

There's some truth here but you only can't be dead last in non conf, just need to be comparable to an average power conference team. This year's non conf should be 50-100 spots better than last year and that's plenty.

ISU is not going to be rewarded for having 12 losses instead of 10 because they bumped their schedule from #11 in the nation to #1. You need to be a major media brand to get that treatment.
 
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Is there proof of this? Genuinely asking.

It is true.

They irrationally counted non conf SOS and total SOS equally last year...and non conf is already part of total SOS so it is counted twice where your conference games only get counted once and only as a % of your total SOS.

It's completely irrational, the people making that decision are corrupt or can't understand basic math. Total SOS is all that should matter.

If they must split it out they should balance conference only, non conf and total, at least that way non conf isn't more important than actual meaningful games in Dec/Feb. The Big 12 would dominate 2 of those three regardless of non conf schedules and it would expose some teams in "power" conferences where the entire bottom half is total dog $***.

An old argument was "teams can't control their conference schedule". I REALLY hate that now because the obvious truth is that the Big Ten and SEC have controlled the conference schedule for all teams for the past decade. The SEC and Big Ten, in their expansion, decided to turn the Big 12 into a basketball superconference by passing on Kansas, Arizona, Houston, WVU, UConn, etc and adding Nebraska and Rutgers to make their own conferences super average. They did it on purpose, side effect was their leagues blow and the Big 12 is a gauntlet.

Even beyond that, saying you can't control something doesn't change the reality of if your conference is easy or tough.
 
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It's simple, imho. Non-con should matter a lot for teams from lesser conferences who go 25-6 but 17 of those wins were against little teams in conference. In that case, the non-con is the only way to show that they can beat bigger better teams, and are indeed a quality team. e.g. Gonzaga.

Good point. There are situations where non-con schedules might be relevant. Just not us last year.
 
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ISU also really wasn't very good at the time.

Imo that tournament was a great gauge to use to tweak some things and provide good film etc. and a couple of players were very different after (in a good way).

It seemed calculated and long term, we saw a 2 seed emerge out of it.
ISU wasn't a bad team that magically got good.

I think it's more like ISU had played nothing but hot garbage, and even jumping the competition up to teams with a pulse was a problem. The only good team in that tournament was A&M, who also was down two starters.
 
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ISU wasn't a bad team that magically got good.

I think it's more like ISU had played nothing but hot garbage, and even jumping the competition up to teams with a pulse was a problem. The only good team in that tournament was A&M, who also was down two starters.

I mean we were also down Ward, and I don't think at the time we appreciated how big of a loss that was. And we lost him right before that tournament so there was really little time to adjust to him being out