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BYYYYEZON

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Ndsu has done well of late, BUT they do not have the grueling schedule that we have. They play D1 power conference teams AT the beginning of the season. Play the big boys half way through the season then talk cause anything and I mean anything can happen in game one on both sides of the ball. Ask West Virginia and TCU what happens when you play a tough schedule week in and week out vs. weak *** schedule.

2 points to this: First, do any of you ever think that FCS teams also improve throughout the year, and have kinks to work out? Why is it that if an FCS team beats a BCS team, it's because it's the first game of the year? Both teams want to win badly, this game counts for both schools, and both FCS teams and FBS teams should improve later in the year. Second, I've seen this mentioned multiple times about the "grind" and how TCU and West Virginia have sucked since joining the big 12 but they were competing for conference championships before joining. Has it ever occurred to anyone that they were competing for those conference championships/national championships with SECOND round NFL draft picks at the most important position in football, and they haven't found an adequate replacement for their QB's, and that's why TCU and West Virginia have struggled so bad in a pass happy big 12? I bet if Andy Dalton and Geno Smith were running those teams, it would be a much different story.
 

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Yes, but most players that have proven they are one of the best players in their conference and/or nation at their level are not freshman and dont want to redshirt a year so they can play one season at a BCS school. Again 19 players from FCS were drafted and several were signed as UDFA, how come they didn't get recruited to transfer? It doesn't happen, and its not about talent for the best FCS players.
I'm going to call bs on your statement. More and more teams are accepting transfers. Look at Kansas State for example. Even Oklahoma is starting it. They are either sophmores or juniors and come in. we had I believe around 5-10 Transfers come to Iowa State. So that's a big BS call right there.
 

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You realize you have to start two corners right? CJ smith would start for ISU for sure. 3 secondary, 2Lbs, and a DE would start on defense. Can debate a couple other spots.
Tribune and Richardson (still battling with Kenneth Lynn but he sounds like the leader) are our corners. They will be just fine. I agree on safety just due to not knowing what we have. But corner, no way. You people act like we have never seen NDSU play, granted they are not on tv every game, but I watch 4-5 games last season.
 

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2 points to this: First, do any of you ever think that FCS teams also improve throughout the year, and have kinks to work out? Why is it that if an FCS team beats a BCS team, it's because it's the first game of the year? Both teams want to win badly, this game counts for both schools, and both FCS teams and FBS teams should improve later in the year. Second, I've seen this mentioned multiple times about the "grind" and how TCU and West Virginia have sucked since joining the big 12 but they were competing for conference championships before joining. Has it ever occurred to anyone that they were competing for those conference championships/national championships with SECOND round NFL draft picks at the most important position in football, and they haven't found an adequate replacement for their QB's, and that's why TCU and West Virginia have struggled so bad in a pass happy big 12? I bet if Andy Dalton and Geno Smith were running those teams, it would be a much different story.
Even with Geno Smith there, West Virginia was not that great because you know what, ITS THE BIG 12!!!!
 

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Not taking anything away from ndsu, but how would they do with our schedule? They have talent and experience, but how would they do in a power conference?

Year in and year out, probably not very well with 63 scholarships --- but no worse than iowa state, KU and other perennial bottom feeders. Last year they could have competed with anyone in the nation, but it was a once/lifetime type of team. So last year, for one year, they would have done pretty well, but again that is a different story and definitely an outlier.
 

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2 points to this: First, do any of you ever think that FCS teams also improve throughout the year, and have kinks to work out? Why is it that if an FCS team beats a BCS team, it's because it's the first game of the year? Both teams want to win badly, this game counts for both schools, and both FCS teams and FBS teams should improve later in the year. Second, I've seen this mentioned multiple times about the "grind" and how TCU and West Virginia have sucked since joining the big 12 but they were competing for conference championships before joining. Has it ever occurred to anyone that they were competing for those conference championships/national championships with SECOND round NFL draft picks at the most important position in football, and they haven't found an adequate replacement for their QB's, and that's why TCU and West Virginia have struggled so bad in a pass happy big 12? I bet if Andy Dalton and Geno Smith were running those teams, it would be a much different story.

WVU had Geno their first year and went 4-5 in conference.
 

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Yes, but most players that have proven they are one of the best players in their conference and/or nation at their level are not freshman and dont want to redshirt a year so they can play one season at a BCS school. Again 19 players from FCS were drafted and several were signed as UDFA, how come they didn't get recruited to transfer? It doesn't happen, and its not about talent for the best FCS players.

Well for one it is against NCAA rules to make contact with a player from another school unless that player has declared they intend to transfer.
 

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Tribune and Richardson (still battling with Kenneth Lynn but he sounds like the leader) are our corners. They will be just fine. I agree on safety just due to not knowing what we have. But corner, no way. You people act like we have never seen NDSU play, granted they are not on tv every game, but I watch 4-5 games last season.
The way they have been talking, the safeties are very talented and cotton would have made some game time if he didn't tore his acl
 

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I'm going to call bs on your statement. More and more teams are accepting transfers. Look at Kansas State for example. Even Oklahoma is starting it. They are either sophmores or juniors and come in. we had I believe around 5-10 Transfers come to Iowa State. So that's a big BS call right there.

BS on what? That FCS studs don't transfer up? I'm sure it happens but it is very rare. How many of those are transfers you reference are from FCS schools? JUCOs dont have to sit out a year, its apples and oranges. This all started because someone said NDSU had a majority of players that would start on ISU's defense and you asked why a BCS team hasn't recruited them to play for them then. The very simple point is that by the time some of the best FCS players could start for a BCS team they are already Juniors and Seniors, and maybe have used a redshirt, and they wouldn't want to sit out and/or burn a year of eligilbility.
 

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So three total starters would have chance to start for Iowa State? Sounds like a Big 12 team there.
 

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Tribune and Richardson (still battling with Kenneth Lynn but he sounds like the leader) are our corners. They will be just fine. I agree on safety just due to not knowing what we have. But corner, no way. You people act like we have never seen NDSU play, granted they are not on tv every game, but I watch 4-5 games last season.

I'm not saying both corners, but CJ smith started as a sophmore over shepard who is still with the redskins at this point. He would start over one of your corners for sure.
 

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BS on what? That FCS studs don't transfer up? I'm sure it happens but it is very rare. How many of those are transfers you reference are from FCS schools? JUCOs dont have to sit out a year, its apples and oranges. This all started because someone said NDSU had a majority of players that would start on ISU's defense and you asked why a BCS team hasn't recruited them to play for them then. The very simple point is that by the time some of the best FCS players could start for a BCS team they are already Juniors and Seniors, and maybe have used a redshirt, and they wouldn't want to sit out and/or burn a year of eligilbility.
I don't believe that your defense would be better then ours. Maybe a couple of players but not the majority of the team. There is no way, we are young but very athletic, and are taught by extremely good coaches. Just because you can hold a wimpy FCS to nothing doesn't mean they are all stars.
 

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2 points to this: First, do any of you ever think that FCS teams also improve throughout the year, and have kinks to work out? Why is it that if an FCS team beats a BCS team, it's because it's the first game of the year? Both teams want to win badly, this game counts for both schools, and both FCS teams and FBS teams should improve later in the year. Second, I've seen this mentioned multiple times about the "grind" and how TCU and West Virginia have sucked since joining the big 12 but they were competing for conference championships before joining. Has it ever occurred to anyone that they were competing for those conference championships/national championships with SECOND round NFL draft picks at the most important position in football, and they haven't found an adequate replacement for their QB's, and that's why TCU and West Virginia have struggled so bad in a pass happy big 12? I bet if Andy Dalton and Geno Smith were running those teams, it would be a much different story.

Go back and see how well Geno did in the Big 12 in 2012.
 

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Sure some become studs but how many actually get play time in NFL? I would assume not very many. maybe 1 in 100 do. very rare. I would challenge you to look up and show me how many FCS players go to the NFL compared to BCS Players and actually play. Don't you think there is a reason why the only good ones go to NDSU? Maybe we get the great players? Maybe all these players are just a gamble and you'll never know what you get?

Obviosuly BCS > Non BCS, or FCS. No one is arguing that. Iowa State and any BCS conference will always have more players drafted and playing in the NFL than NDSU. I am only talking about the players we have currently, and those that would start at Iowa State. It's really not that complicated or far fetched.
 

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I'm not saying both corners, but CJ smith started as a sophmore over shepard who is still with the redskins at this point. He would start over one of your corners for sure.

He could compete for a starting spot I'm sure. But Tribune stated as a true freshman even with the depth we had last season at corner. Richardson has played in every game since his freshman year, he is now a junior and started 6 games last year. Smith actually beating out these guys would be a huge question mark at best.
 

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I don't believe that your defense would be better then ours. Maybe a couple of players but not the majority of the team. There is no way, we are young but very athletic, and are taught by extremely good coaches. Just because you can hold a wimpy FCS to nothing doesn't mean they are all stars.

So you are playing at home, with a better offense, a better defense, and better coaches with better depth. I wish you were setting the line instead of some neutral idiot that does it for a living so I could bet on NDSU +49 instead of NDSU-2
 
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