My theory on why the Big 12 isn't getting respect from the playoff committee

[SolterraCyclone]

I think Yormark’s statement was spot on (way freakin better than Jaime’s tweet). They need to have established criteria on what is the priority for the committee.

Then teams know what they need before the season to help get into the CFP. We can’t schedule, set expectations, know what to do with conference championships, if we don’t have defined criteria for what is important for selection/seeding.

And I don’t want to hear about “eye test Bull ****”

 

[tolfbfan]

Decide on a computer rating program and use it. Maybe a composite score/ranking from the top 3-4 rating systems out there. Have guidelines for the four byes etc. Wait, never mind. What would we talk about?

 

[Cyclonepride]

My theory

 

[cydsho]

This will never happen but go to 14, 2 guarantees to ACC, B12, B10, SEC. 1 for MW and AAC. 4 at larges that go the SEC/b10 as they will "require" that but you could use it to bring it other teams if the season was really weird.
Or just go to 16 but you need to have specific guidelines on who is automatically in for the the majority of the field.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

The reason is because the teams picked to be good in July turned out to be bad or average. If Utah, K-State, OSU or Kanas were 10-2, they would be ranked in the top 10.

Yeah i think this is being overlooked by a lot of big 12 fans. If Ok St was 10-2 they would probably be higher than SMU since they can point to their win over an SEC team.

Another thing i think gets ignored is that the big 12 had a few games in the OOC against each other. we essentially had 4 teams play 10 conference games which added to the further cannibalize our teams' records. Though this probably is only a gripe for Baylor.

 

[cyfan92]

This is a TV product that ESPN owns... $EC is owned by ESPN... Not that hard, that is why there should have been multiple TV partners

 

[BMWallace]

Stop calling it a playoff. So long as the criteria for being included is subjective, it is an Invitational.

 

[Hammerschlagen]

Personally, I think the only egregious disrespect is being ranked behind (or even close to) BSU/UNLV/Tulane. Those schools are being overrated to an inexcusable degree.

The ACC is guilty of being over ranked, too, but to a lesser extent.

this is exactly what the SEC thinks about us. So it's kind of hypocritical

 

[FerShizzle]

Have you actually looked at who is on the committee? Because this is not true at all

• Chris Ault: Former head coach and athletic director at the University of Nevada a person
• Chet Gladchuk: Athletics director at the U.S. Naval Academy Elitist Snob
• Jim Grobe: Former head coach at the Ohio University, Wake Forest and Baylor Big 12
• Warde Manuel: Chair, Athletics director at the University of Michigan Big 10
• Randall McDaniel: College and Pro Football Hall of Fame member and former All-American offensive lineman, Arizona State University Big 12
• Gary Pinkel: Former head coach at the University of Toledo and University of Missouri SEC
• Mack Rhoades: Athletics director at Baylor University Big 12
• Mike Riley: Former college head coach at Oregon State and Nebraska, as well as head coach in the NFL, CFL, WLAF, AAF and USFL Big 10
• David Sayler: Athletics director at the Miami University, OH a person
• Will Shields: College and Pro Football Hall of Fame member and former All-American offensive lineman, University of Nebraska Big 10
• Kelly Whiteside: Professor in Sports Media and Journalism, Montclair State University; longtime sportswriter, USA Today, Sports Illustrated and Newsday Elitist Snob
• Carla Williams: Athletics director at the University of Virginia Elitist Snob
• Hunter Yurachek: Athletics director at the University of Arkansas SEC

do you deny that the Big 10 and SEC are voting and ranking with each others interests in mind? they are by far the largest voting block in the group.

 

[jdoggivjc]

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Perfect example 3 loss Alabama. 2 of those losses to 6-6 schools. 9 power conference opponents. ISU 2 losses. 10 power conference opponents. Alabama ranked higher. 3 loss Mississippi and South Carolina also ranked higher than any Big 12 school.

SEC and Big 10 are threatening to bolt from the NCAA and form their own entity if they don't get their way. I say the same thing to that that I said about Texas threatening to leave the Big 12. If you want to leave then leave. Sooner rather than later. Leave. Go away.

ESPN set the narrative before the season started that the Big 12 was "down" this year and that it was likely Utah, KU, OSU, or K-State were going to control the conference... with an outside shot that if ISU's experienced roster could pull it together they could make a run at the conference championship - if they could survive KU, K-State, and Utah at the end of their season.

And then Utah, KU, and OSU outright collapsed and K-State never looked like "championship material", while ISU and BYU started strong.

And then KU, who wrecked their season early on, decided to pull it together and terrorize the leaders of the conference 3 weeks in a row, with the media labeling these as "bad losses", conveniently forgetting KU was expected to be one of the top teams in the conference.

The bottom line is I don't think the Big 12 is nearly as weak as ESPN portrays... it's just that ESPN got the narrative out very early that the Big 12 was weak, and then an entirely different set of teams competed for the conference championship than what was expected at the beginning of the season, feeding into the narrative that the conference was weak.

What's worse is nobody outside of ESPN is willing to challenge them on this notion - not even when every metric not owned by ESPN shows the Big 12 is the second best conference behind the SEC.

 

[ISUTex]

But the NCAA doesn't have anything to do with the CFB championship. It's not an NCAA committee ranking teams like it is for March Madness.

Why can't the NCAA demand that they control the playoff. These really aren't bowls anymore. Why can't they demand that if the BIG 10 or SEC leave the NCAA, they can't wear school logos or be called "Alabama" or "Michigan" anymore and their players can't attend the school? Oh yeah, greed.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

• Chris Ault: Former head coach and athletic director at the University of Nevada a person
• Chet Gladchuk: Athletics director at the U.S. Naval Academy Elitist Snob
• Jim Grobe: Former head coach at the Ohio University, Wake Forest and Baylor Big 12
• Warde Manuel: Chair, Athletics director at the University of Michigan Big 10
• Randall McDaniel: College and Pro Football Hall of Fame member and former All-American offensive lineman, Arizona State University Big 12
• Gary Pinkel: Former head coach at the University of Toledo and University of Missouri SEC
• Mack Rhoades: Athletics director at Baylor University Big 12
• Mike Riley: Former college head coach at Oregon State and Nebraska, as well as head coach in the NFL, CFL, WLAF, AAF and USFL Big 10
• David Sayler: Athletics director at the Miami University, OH a person
• Will Shields: College and Pro Football Hall of Fame member and former All-American offensive lineman, University of Nebraska Big 10
• Kelly Whiteside: Professor in Sports Media and Journalism, Montclair State University; longtime sportswriter, USA Today, Sports Illustrated and Newsday Elitist Snob
• Carla Williams: Athletics director at the University of Virginia Elitist Snob
• Hunter Yurachek: Athletics director at the University of Arkansas SEC

do you deny that the Big 10 and SEC are voting and ranking with each others interests in mind? they are by far the largest voting block in the group.

So by your odd logic the Big12 has the exact same representation as the big10, more then the SEC but everyone else including the Navy AD is an elitiest snob?

Btw your concern shouldn’t be with the big ten it should be with the Boise and ACC love.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Why can't the NCAA demand that they control the playoff. These really aren't bowls anymore. Why can't they demand that if the BIG 10 or SEC leave the NCAA, they can't wear school logos or be called "Alabama" or "Michigan" anymore and their players can't attend the school? Oh yeah, greed.

The NCAA has zero power let alone the ability to tell Michigan that they can’t be called Michigan. I don’t think the Big12 or ACC commissioners would even go for that idea

 

[Cyclonsin]

this is exactly what the SEC thinks about us. So it's kind of hypocritical

Not at all. We're properly seeded well below the top of the SEC and virtually every metrics shows we should be. On the flip side, nearly every metric shows we should be above Boise, but they're way above us. Pretty much exact opposite scenarios.

 

[FerShizzle]

So by your odd logic the Big12 has the exact same representation as the big10, more then the SEC but everyone else including the Navy AD is an elitiest snob?

Btw your concern shouldn’t be with the big ten it should be with the Boise and ACC love.

THATS THE BIG 10/SEC VOTING BLOCK AND THEIR GOALS AND AIMS!!!!

sometimes you can be pretty obtuse here on this board.

i don't think the non voting block members are being straight up shills for their conference ties. i 100% think the voting block of shills are being shills.

 

[BMWallace]

Why can't the NCAA demand that they control the playoff. These really aren't bowls anymore. Why can't they demand that if the BIG 10 or SEC leave the NCAA, they can't wear school logos or be called "Alabama" or "Michigan" anymore and their players can't attend the school? Oh yeah, greed.

Because the CFP is technically an exhibition tournament that is run by ESPN. The NCAA has never held control of the FBS post-season, and hasn't held control of FBS broadcast rights (AKA the money) since NCAA v Oklahoma Board of Regents (1984).

 

[jdoggivjc]

Why can't the NCAA demand that they control the playoff. These really aren't bowls anymore. Why can't they demand that if the BIG 10 or SEC leave the NCAA, they can't wear school logos or be called "Alabama" or "Michigan" anymore and their players can't attend the school? Oh yeah, greed.

Because the SEC and Big 10 don't care about the NCAA anymore, at least when it comes to football. The NCAA as a governing body stopped mattering when 1. they were too chicken-**** to enforce their own rules against the big schools, and 2. (the big one) TV networks began negotiating TV contracts directly with the conferences, cutting the NCAA middleman out of the discussion entirely.

The SEC and Big 10 have all the money and literally no longer need the NCAA to govern football for them - they just choose to continue for convenience. But as soon as the NCAA exerts more control than either conference is willing to let them, the SEC and Big 10 go independent from the NCAA.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

THATS THE BIG 10/SEC VOTING BLOCK AND THEIR GOALS AND AIMS!!!!

sometimes you can be pretty obtuse here on this board.

i don't think the non voting block members are being straight up shills for their conference ties. i 100% think the voting block of shills are being shills.

I’m being obtuse when you label everyone on the committee an elite snob that isn’t directly tied to the Big12?

Did you check their affiliations? It’s a lot of G5 and ACC. Why do you think they are higher than the Big12? I get being upset, I agree the Big12 teams are not being ranked fairly compared to the G5 and the ACC but your looking the wrong direction on who to blame

 

[Dopey]

I don’t disagree with the “why”.

But I think we’re over valuing Big 12 talent.

We barely beat Iowa.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I don’t disagree with the “why”.

But I think we’re over valuing Big 12 talent.

We barely beat Iowa.

And OSU lost to a bad Michigan team. **** happens in rivalry games.