Most elite armed force

Cybone

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In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the
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In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the
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The A-Team (2009)

There has to be a better fit for the characters....I like Woody Harelson as Murdock though....
 

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What? No arguments that the French have the most elite military unit in the world?

Personally, I really don't care which military unit is most elite, simply because all I care about is them having an American flag on their right sleeve. That and all of them could kick my ***...
 

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Where do the Green Berets fit in?

In Vietnam

What? No arguments that the French have the most elite military unit in the world?

I ask them how good there Special forces were when I was training with them one time. They surrendered on the spot. I was like dude I am just asking. He was like dude you win.
 

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Well. we know it is not the United Nations Cracker Troops. Suspect TSA is still training up.

At one time, the Israelis had the world's elite group.

Now, it may be the US since we have had so much action lately. No disrespect to Seals, but a land based operation of Rangers can be fairly awesome.

Looks like the first question still has not been finally/fully answered. Might be a poll question....

It's been awhile but the History Channel had that TV show where 2 guys (Jason ? and Bill "Oops I didn't mean to punch you in the face" Duff) went around the world looking at fighting styles. They had a show where they featured Krav Maga. Pretty fierce looking...
 

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If you want to start talking about international "elite" units you would have to mention the French Foreign Legion. They have been a very stout unit over the years mainly because they are not french. They don't even swear loyaly to France, just to the legion itself.
 

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Not true. Categorically not true. NSW doesn't select based upon numbers, they select based upon successful completion of BUD/S. Once through BUD/S one is not a SEAL, rather they now have the honor of getting through training and now go through the process of becoming a SEAL once at their desinated team. I realize things have changed some in the 14 years since I have left but your characterzation of the selection process is inaccurate.

I will tell you(my experience) every group is tough and has different missions. Another group globally that I would not want to **** with one bit is the Mossad. Those cats aren't soft one bit, and get tested all the time. BTW, I think the painting of SpecOps people as 'crazy' is a bit strange. Typically they are very smart guys, that enjoy working in different conditions then their peers. It is a job/lifestyle, they do have a higher divorce rate than many careers, they are family men, and love their work.

Lastly, one of the major successes that are a result of a tragedy(the "Black Hawk Down" incident) is that we see much more cross-over and joint work between the groups. They do a much better job of integrating and sharing skill sets, talents, and intelligence. Who's schlong is bigger? Does it matter as long as they get it done? In my opinion we are talking about splitting the hair on a gnat's ***-I have my bias but they all are tough.

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P.S. There is no such thing at ST6 theer is a group however; called DevGro in Dam Neck Virginia that seems to have some similar talents as the group known as ST6.


The Seals number game came from a seal instructor over beers in Panama City Beach, FL.
 

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What is the Air Force's special ops team? I've heard they are a pretty reputable group as well. I grew up in a military family and certainly appreciate what all the branches do.
 

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What is the Air Force's special ops team? I've heard they are a pretty reputable group as well. I grew up in a military family and certainly appreciate what all the branches do.

AFSOC - Air force special operations command
 

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P.S. There is no such thing at ST6 theer is a group however; called DevGro in Dam Neck Virginia that seems to have some similar talents as the group known as ST6.
Not true. ST6 is the same thing as DEVGRU. Development Group is the official name of the unit, and DEVGRU is the military jargon term for it. The "SEAL Team 6" designation came from the Cold War era; they wanted to make the Soviets unsure of how many SEALs we had. Even though the official name has been changed, "ST6" is still used to refer to the unit.
 

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Not true. ST6 is the same thing as DEVGRU. Development Group is the official name of the unit, and DEVGRU is the military jargon term for it. The "SEAL Team 6" designation came from the Cold War era; they wanted to make the Soviets unsure of how many SEALs we had. Even though the official name has been changed, "ST6" is still used to refer to the unit.
I am not going to argue this point with you, but those involved DO NOT call it ST6.
 

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I was an airborne russian linguist - we could kill you with our branes - err, brains.

The special operators I've met have all been impressive - except the rangers. Rangers talk about being baaaad, but if you have to tell someone how bad you are, you aren't. Pararescue guys blew me away with their positive mental attitude. Nothing they couldn't do but that wasn't bragging, they just felt they could accomplish anything.
 

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Interesting question. I read some time ago that the U.S. Marine Corps is the world's only service-wide force to be considered elite. Don't know if that holds today.

I have the book below on my shelves, thought maybe a few of you reading this thread might be interested in a bit of information from it.

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"Military Elites – Special Fighting Units in the Modern World" by Roger A. Beaumont

Book jacket copy:

Merrill's Marauder. Darby's Rangers. The French Foreign Legion. The Green Berets. The Commandos. Names that have come to epitomize daring, determination and expertise. Names that stir us with the promise of martial glory. Precisely as they were meant to do. For it is the opinion of the author that many elite military units were formed to serve psychological rather than tactical needs. This book tells the history of more than 80 such organizations, from the Arab Legion of Glubb Pasha to the heliborne air cavalry of Vietnam.

Some elite units, such as the U.S. Army Tank Destroyer Corps of World War II, were created to compensate for technological deficiencies, making up by sheer quality of fighting spirit for the superior weaponry (in this case the Wehrmacht's heavy tanks) that the enemy possessed.

Other units, such as the British Long Range Desert Group in North Africa, or Merrill's Marauders, who fought the Japanese in Burma, were an attempt to compensate for strategic weaknesses. Some, like the Chasseurs Alpins and the Submarine Command, fought highly specialized forms of warfare. Others, like the Waffen SS or the Palestinian Al Fatah, were political groups, embodying as an element of their esprit an approved or respected political attitude.

Some became elite units by association with the tactical success of the weapons systems they operated. This was the case with the German Panzer Korps, and it is now the case with our own Strategic Air and Missile Commands. A few groups earned an elite status by virtue of the military genius of the leaders. So it was with the Afrika Korps under General Erwin Rommel.

Many groups, however, stood for important ideals: the Arab Legion was an example of discipline, the Irgun of resolve, the American airborne divisions of toughness, the Rangers of bravery, the British Commandos of cunning, Special Forces (the Green Berets) of ingenuity, the Japanese kamikaze pilots of ulitmate devotion.

Some succeeded in their psychological role while failing at the military assignment. Many fought brilliantly but were of little final tactical value. Others were capable of a high degree of success but were employed in the wrong role. The U.S. Army Special Forces, for example, were trained to organize and to fight guerrilla warfare in a hostile environment, but instead were used in Vietnam in a counterguerrilla role, as "superior" conventional troops in a friendly environment – with disastrous results.

All these and many more units are discussed in a book which draws on official sources and historical archives throughout the world. A generous selection of photographs, most of them hitherto unavailable, is included.

Roger A. Beaumont, a graduate of the University of Wisconsin, holds a Ph.D. in military history from Kansas State University and was a senior staff member of the Center for Advanced Study in Organization Science at Wisconsin. He is now an Associate Professsor of History at Texas A&M University. Having served two tours of active duty as an army officer, he has written for such publications as Military Affairs, Army, Military Review, Horizon, and The New York Times. . . .

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Talk about comparing apples to oranges. For myself, I would not argue that one elite force was superior to another even should I possess particular knowledge about the topic. Far, far too many variables to make elite-to-elite comparisons, imho.
 

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not in the real world bud... They go by recon..

Hey Bad***,

It's a simple clarification, just like Army Rangers should be specified Green Berets. Just trying to answer the question. Okay with you Devil Dog?
 
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What? No arguments that the French have the most elite military unit in the world?

I'd say, from personal experience and observation, that both the French Foreign Legion and the Para units are pretty top notch.

The FFL guys are skinny, though. They tend not to be big bruisers.
 

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The Seals number game came from a seal instructor over beers in Panama City Beach, FL.

Oh, yeah. The "SEAL instructor" in Panama City Beach, Florida. If you added up all the "SEALs" in that part of the world, you'd have exceeded the total amount of SEALs ever minted by a factor of 10. The amount of SEAL posers in the world is extremely high.
 

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Not true. ST6 is the same thing as DEVGRU. Development Group is the official name of the unit, and DEVGRU is the military jargon term for it. The "SEAL Team 6" designation came from the Cold War era; they wanted to make the Soviets unsure of how many SEALs we had. Even though the official name has been changed, "ST6" is still used to refer to the unit.

SEAL Team "6" is a fictional unit. Richard Marcinko made it up, so that he wouldn't be stepping on any of the "real" teams toes in his semi-fictional/fictional books.

But don't stop believin', man....

If you don't believe me, Google "VeriSEAL" and they'll tell you themselves....

Edited to add: Here's a link to some real deal SEALs. Ask them yourself...

http://www.socnet.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37
 
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