Morris Vs. Mason Head to Head

[Cyclo-Trog]

When considering the national player of the year, head to head statistics should be taken into account whenever possible. From the raw statistics of the two ISU vs KU games this year here's how the two All-American candidates compare:

. . . . . . . .Game 1 KU 76 - ISU 72 . . Game 2 ISU 92 - KU 89​

Player. . . . . .Morris . . Mason . . . .Morris . Mason
Points . . . . . . 23 . . . . 16 . . . . . 25 . . . 32
Rebounds . . . . . 7. . . . . 6 . . . . . . 2. . . . 6
Assists . . . . . .7. . . . . 1 . . . . . . 7. . . . 5
Steals . . . . . . 4. . . . . 1 . . . . . . 2. . . . 1
Turnovers . . . . .3. . . . . 3 . . . . . . 0. . . . 3
Blocks . . . . . . 1. . . . . 0 . . . . . . 0. . . . 0
(Ed: My apologies for the dots - I couldn't get the spacing right)

So statistically, for the overall numbers, Points - even, Rebounds - Mason +3, Assists Morris +8, Steals Morris +4, Turnovers Morris -3, Blocks Morris +1.

If we go with possessions Morris is +5, and Assists (+8) return at least 16 points in offense. Advantage Morris.

If we look at another metric - "Making the plays at crunch time" that would be the last 4 minutes of the game in Hilton, and the last 4 minutes and overtime in the Phog. In Hilton, the last 4 minutes Mason had two baskets (4 points), two rebounds, but a turnover and a missed free throw. Morris had a three and two free throws (5 points) and an assist against a foul and two missed shots (a 2 and a 3). Pretty much a wash. In the Phog - Last 4 minutes Mason had a layup and 2 of 3 free throws (4 points) and two rebounds to go with a turnover and two missed shots (a 2 and a 3). On the other hand Morris had a 3 a 2 and 3 of 4 free throws (8 points) a rebound and 2 assists against two missed 2's.

Basically and statistically Mason disappeared while Monte delivered.

Conclusion Monte Morris >> Frank Mason
Listening Wooden Award?

 

[BikeSkiClone]

You went from "head to head statistics should be taken into account whenever possible" to making your conclusion based solely on head to head. Head to head should be taken into consideration, but shouldn't be the only metric. I haven't watched any other KU games and don't check stats much, so I don't know how well Mason has done other than what people talk about during games and a few articles.

If I wasn't associated with either school, I think it would be pretty hard to argue against either guy.

 

[Cyclo-Trog]

A fair statement. I am certain that a more extensive comparison should be made. I would also point out that points alone do not tell the whole story.

 

[jsb]

All I know is I'd pick monte over mason any day.

 

[CycloneVet]

For NBA reasons-->6'2 vs 5'10

 

[madguy30]

Pretty sure Monte has beaten Kansas at least once in all seasons (counting Big 12 tourney) of a 4 year career.

Is that a first?

Tinsley and Horton never lost to KU but that was two seasons.

 

[jsb]

Pretty sure Monte has beaten Kansas at least once in all 4 seasons (counting Big 12 tourney) of his career.

Is that a first?

I bet Georges did. No he didn't. Should have.

 

[madguy30]

I bet Georges did. No he didn't. Should have.

Yep. 0-3 in '12-13*.

*sort of.

 

[Cydkar]

Mason has been better this year so far. It is what it is.

 

[Spanky]

Mason has been better this year so far. It is what it is.

Yeah, why let facts get in the way.

 

[isuclone89]

[QUOTE"madguy30, post: 5562601, member: 13228"]Pretty sure Monte has beaten Kansas at least once in all seasons (counting Big 12 tourney) of a 4 year career.

Is that a first?

Tinsley and Horton never lost to KU but that was two seasons.[/QUOTE]
Danny m

Pretty sure Monte has beaten Kansas at least once in all seasons (counting Big 12 tourney) of a 4 year career.

Is that a first?

Tinsley and Horton never lost to KU but that was two seasons.

danny Manning never won at Hilton. So anyone who played all 4 years he did won at least once each year.

 

[DurangoCy]

When considering the national player of the year, head to head statistics should be taken into account whenever possible. From the raw statistics of the two ISU vs KU games this year here's how the two All-American candidates compare:

. . . . . . . .Game 1 KU 76 - ISU 72 . . Game 2 ISU 92 - KU 89​

Player. . . . . .Morris . . Mason . . . .Morris . Mason
Points . . . . . . 23 . . . . 16 . . . . . 25 . . . 32
Rebounds . . . . . 7. . . . . 6 . . . . . . 2. . . . 6
Assists . . . . . .7. . . . . 1 . . . . . . 7. . . . 5
Steals . . . . . . 4. . . . . 1 . . . . . . 2. . . . 1
Turnovers . . . . .3. . . . . 3 . . . . . . 0. . . . 3
Blocks . . . . . . 1. . . . . 0 . . . . . . 0. . . . 0
(Ed: My apologies for the dots - I couldn't get the spacing right)

So statistically, for the overall numbers, Points - even, Rebounds - Mason +3, Assists Morris +8, Steals Morris +4, Turnovers Morris -3, Blocks Morris +1.

If we go with possessions Morris is +5, and Assists (+8) return at least 16 points in offense. Advantage Morris.

If we look at another metric - "Making the plays at crunch time" that would be the last 4 minutes of the game in Hilton, and the last 4 minutes and overtime in the Phog. In Hilton, the last 4 minutes Mason had two baskets (4 points), two rebounds, but a turnover and a missed free throw. Morris had a three and two free throws (5 points) and an assist against a foul and two missed shots (a 2 and a 3). Pretty much a wash. In the Phog - Last 4 minutes Mason had a layup and 2 of 3 free throws (4 points) and two rebounds to go with a turnover and two missed shots (a 2 and a 3). On the other hand Morris had a 3 a 2 and 3 of 4 free throws (8 points) a rebound and 2 assists against two missed 2's.

Basically and statistically Mason disappeared while Monte delivered.

Conclusion Monte Morris >> Frank Mason
Listening Wooden Award?

Mason has been out of his mind on fire this year.
P Jok >> Morris???

 

[CycloneBBFan]

The player of the year isn't going to be chosen based on two games played.

 

[Spam]

If only it were that simple

 

[madguy30]

[QUOTE"madguy30, post: 5562601, member: 13228"]Pretty sure Monte has beaten Kansas at least once in all seasons (counting Big 12 tourney) of a 4 year career.

Is that a first?

Tinsley and Horton never lost to KU but that was two seasons.

Danny m


danny Manning never won at Hilton. So anyone who played all 4 years he did won at least once each year.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking of that...was there anyone that would have played in all 4 years at that time? I'm too young to remember.

 

[CyTwins]

For NBA reasons-->6'2 vs 5'10

6'3

 

[ClonesFTW]

Monte is an all-timer but you have to give credit to Mason, he's having a heck of a year. 53% from 3 is ridiculous.

 

[Cydkar]

Yeah, why let facts get in the way.

Doctor, heal thyself.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Both are fantastic players with completely different games. At best, I think you could pick one, but it would have to be a 1A and 1B type of pick.

Monte has improved even more than I thought he could this year. 25 points and 7 assists, with no turnovers, in 44 minutes, in a win at Phog Allen, is an epic performance.

 

[jkclone]

Both are fantastic players with completely different games. At best, I think you could pick one, but it would have to be a 1A and 1B type of pick.

Monte has improved even more than I thought he could this year. 25 points and 7 assists, with no turnovers, in 44 minutes, in a win at Phog Allen, is an epic performance.

Yeah who else is really on the same level as these two this year. I don't really know of anyone else who really stands out for even NPOY.