More possible recruits for 07

[cmoore_23]

These are guys that are not in the top 150 but stil have interest in iowa state
( * = stars...according to rivals)

Devin Ebanks**** 6-8/175 PF Medium interest (High interest on UCONN & FL)
Woody Orne*** 6-6/230 PF Medium interest (all in-state schools at med.)
Arthur Steward*** 6-4/200 SG/SF Medium interest (no offers yet)
Jeese Woodard*** 5-11/170 PG Medium Interest (has offers From Iowa State & USC Floyd will prob get him dew to the death)

Jacob Pullen 6-1/175 PG High interest (8 teams are in High interest..4 have offered..no offer from ISU)
Tyler Sash 6-1/190 PG High interest Iowa vs ISU on the High interest correct me if i am wrong but i think he is also a fball playa
Demarcus Grady 6-2/185 SG Medium Interest
Blake Hoffurber 6-4/185 SG Medium interest
Noah Dahlman 6-6/175 SF Medium interest (also has UNI as Med.)
Chris Taylor 6-7/205 SF Medium interest
Jon Leuer 6-9/215 PF Medium interest
Brandon Walters 6-8/200 PF Medium interest (also has Fl at Med)

So that sums up my recruits for 07

 

[JordanHXC]

Devin Ebanks**** 6-8/175 PF Medium interest (High interest on UCONN & FL)

does that say 6'8'' and 175 lbs? i've seen thicker kites in my life....this kid would blow away in that winter wind in ames....

 

[melkor]

That is quite an underwhelming list.

 

[Jer]

The list is actually pretty deep considering how early it is in the process. Those are just the earliest contacts that have been made and some are not going to get much further looks. Also remember that their rankings are very likely to fluctuate as time passes.

This list has some players that the biggest of teams are looking at, i.e. Duke, Kansas, UNC, Florida, etc. I would say that GMAC is off to a great start. If you want to really judge what he can do, you have to look at the 08-09 class since they are the players that no school has really contacted much yet.

For the 08-09 class, almost every player I have heard discussed is currently being looked at by the top 5-10 programs in the country. That is a pretty good group to be lumped in with this early in GMAC's tenure.

One also has to keep in mind that player star rankings are much like a popularity contest. Cory Johnson is a great example, if he was no different of a player but signed with Kansas, he would easily be a four star recruit. Since he has been off the block for so long, he is reduced a star and since he is going to ISU, he is thought even less of. He is easily a 4* player by all accounts. Another example is Taggart, he was a 4-5* recruit that played like a 2* at best.

 

[benjay]

Let people like discombobulated worry about the rankings. GMac doesn't need them.

 

[melkor]

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The list is actually pretty deep considering how early it is in the process. Those are just the earliest contacts that have been made and some are not going to get much further looks. Also remember that their rankings are very likely to fluctuate as time passes.

This list has some players that the biggest of teams are looking at, i.e. Duke, Kansas, UNC, Florida, etc. I would say that GMAC is off to a great start. If you want to really judge what he can do, you have to look at the 08-09 class since they are the players that no school has really contacted much yet.

For the 08-09 class, almost every player I have heard discussed is currently being looked at by the top 5-10 programs in the country. That is a pretty good group to be lumped in with this early in GMAC's tenure.

One also has to keep in mind that player star rankings are much like a popularity contest. Cory Johnson is a great example, if he was no different of a player but signed with Kansas, he would easily be a four star recruit. Since he has been off the block for so long, he is reduced a star and since he is going to ISU, he is thought even less of. He is easily a 4* player by all accounts. Another example is Taggart, he was a 4-5* recruit that played like a 2* at best.
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If you say so. The recruits GMac is after, does not look all that good. I think it will look even worse once some of the WM recruits get taken off the list.

 

[discombobulated]

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Let people like discombobulated worry about the rankings. GMac doesn't need them.
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He is just that damn good. It sounds to me that kool aid drinkers like you believe he could win the big 12 with 3 walk-ons, that 3-poijnt shooting manager from fla. and emmanuelle lewis running the point. There is a reason people get excited when thier team pulls in a high level recruit, wanna know why?CAUSE THEY ARE USUALLY PRETTY GOOD PLAYERS. the 3 and under star crowd that mcd is in on is exactly the players that a team like UNI, Drake is after, and we will suck so bad in your 3 years that the flow of the skunk river will turn north due to that great vaccum effect.
Just because a player claims interest from a school does not make it so. I know people who got letters from USC, fla, fsu, miami, etc. in football. Guess where they ended up playing. UNI.

 

[Cydkar]

What do you, discombobulated, want from GMac? I'm not drinking koolaid but am willing to see his product on the court before I become judgemental.

 

[discombobulated]

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What do you, discombobulated, want from GMac? I'm not drinking koolaid but am willing to see his product on the court before I become judgemental.
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what I want (its too late now), I wanted a NATIONAL coaching search. I want to recruit nationally. I wanted him too keep Most of the team together. I wanted to keep 2 of three incoming recruits. I want to never see sash or dahlman on any list for basketball that lists our interest in them. I would like to see some of the 4 star studs WM had already opened the door for be still interested, I mean if he is a great coach and recruiter, all he should need is to get into the door. I never want to see us even think of offering someone mcd was recruiting while at UNI, unless he has just blown up over the summer or something.
I have seen his product on the court. It was slow, and unless they were hitting three's boring. He had his teams be in the upper tier of a mid major, but never the team to beat. He is good for a few upsets a year, but only early in the season, when major programs are still learning to play as a team, and he has a roster full of seniors. That is what I have seen in the past, and until he proves me wrong, why should I believe that his change in scenary should make him into the awesome coach and recruiter some believe he already is. Well, "his players may not be the most talented", and after clark we may not ever see another NBA draft pick, "but they will play with heart", is not something to be all positive about in my opinion. I never want to see the attitude that Gmac doesn't need highly ranked recruits. Like huggins, drew, barnes, knight, et al are terrible coaches and despite thier dominate talent, we will run circles around them night in and night out.
fair enough?

 

[jay moe]

No sense arguing with discombobulated, he will never be happy with the basketball program. I feel he may come around when the basketball team gets into the dance and wins some games. I do, however, agree that the list is underwhelming and would hope we have our eye on some bigger potential players.

 

[benjay]

Dear Discombobulated,

McDermott has a completely different attitude towards coaching than Morgan, and the players can immediately see this. How could you NOT expect him to lose some of them? Could any disciplinarian coach have kept them? I say no, not after Morgan. The program was already in turmoil, seeing how the two best players declared for the draft and Carr quit the team in frustration. Is this what you call player retention? McDermott inherited this situation and immediately went to work. You say he can't recruit nationally, but he went and got the best juco player out of California and a solid shooting guard from Florida. Now you say he can't recruit 4 star recruits, but you haven't given him any time in which to do so. The big names were already committed to other programs before he even started. How is it fair to criticize him for that?

You view yourself as a realist, but your expectations are anything but realistic. I honestly think you're just sour that we hired McDermott in the first place, so he has absolutely NO leeway in your eyes. You will never give him the benefit of the doubt. You should be angry at Pollard... not McDermott.

 

[discombobulated]

I am angry at pollard, believe that. He started out on a lie (national coaching search), as did mcd. Mcd said that he was going to change his style of play to adapt to the players, then he didn't. WB and CS may have declared for the draft, but neither was sure to go until after meeting with mcd. carr I will say was for sure gone. Taggs, westbrook, degand, they all wanted to stay, but mcd didn't allow that, for whatever reason. He had ins with some stud recruits for next year since the door was opened by WM, and I hope we still have a shot, however I really don't see any of them coming. This list of potential recruits is far less than exciting, there doesn't appear to be an instant impact player in the group, and we will need some of that after clark leaves.

 

[cyclonedrew]

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Your an idiot.. The guy has not even coached a game yet and you are all over him.. Your compaint is rediculous.. How about when that mid major put a 30 point whipping on us 2 years ago???

 

[CY]

Morgan was 2-1 over GMAC.

 

[melkor]

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Your an idiot.. The guy has not even coached a game yet and you are all over him.. Your compaint is rediculous.. How about when that mid major put a 30 point whipping on us 2 years ago???
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Way to attack him personally. Good job. Should I call you an idiot for supporting GMac before he has coached a game? If you have to resort to name-calling perhaps you should take a small break from posting. I'm not telling you what to do, merely a suggestion. Have a very nice day.

 

[discombobulated]

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Your an idiot.. The guy has not even coached a game yet and you are all over him.. Your compaint is rediculous.. How about when that mid major put a 30 point whipping on us 2 years ago???
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If you are going to call someone an idiot, you may want to spell YOU'RE correctly. wow, they did exactly what I said he does, win games in the early season against teams that haven't had time to gel yet. Not a huge shock, it is what his teams do every year. By the end of that season, our D would not have allowed them to get even close to that, even if they did shoot out of thier heads as they did that night. Any team can beat/ beat down any team on any night, it all depends on how often they can hit every shot they take.

 

[Jer]

Enough of the name calling. There are plenty of facts to throw around on this topic as ammunition.

 

[isucy86]

Let's Face Reality

This thread is going no where. G-Mac hasn't even coached a game and some posters are complaining about the style of play and quality of recruits. I think those folks ought to wait until we play some games before judging.

A couple of points:
1) G-Mac did play a slower style at UNI than WM did at ISU. Last time I looked outscoring oppoents is more important than "style of play". I'm OK if we score 60-65 ppg if we win games. Scoring 80ppg last year didn't make the season enjoyable did it?

2) When has a coach at ISU ever recruited exclusively 4 & 5 star recruits? Never! Even coaches like Johnny Orr and Larry Eustacey who had success, the core of their teams were 2 & 3 star guys. G-Mac is likely going to have to win before the door to elite recruits opens to ISU. G-Mac has shown he can develop players. Kids like Gruber, Jacobson, Stout and Coleman weren't highly ranked and would start for 90% of the teams in America. I'm VERY confident that G-Mac can make ISU an elite Big 12 program with a roster of 3 star recruits soley from Iowa or states that border Iowa.

The idea that G-Mac needs to have a national recruiting base is the silliest BS I hear spouted on message boards. Johnny Orr did just fine focusing on the midwest. Bo Ryan has established the best program in the Big 10 and ALL his kids are from the midwest.

3) G-Mac's teams have not peaked early in the season and sputtered at year end. His teams have done well in the MVC Tourney? Sure he is 0-3 in the NCAA Tournament, but not many 12 & lower seeds win games.

4) Sure it would have been nice if we didn't have the roster turnover this spring. However, it's obvious that last year's roster was at ISU because of WM and not because ISU is a great school, the ISU campus environment is great or ISU's strong basketball tradition.

G-Mac is the total opposite of WM. That doesn't mean WM's approach is wrong, it's just different. G-Mac demands discipline and hard work and so it's no surprise to me that most of "Wayne's Players" have moved on.

 

[discombobulated]

C tourney

1) why can't we have both like we did two years ago. 60 pts a game is akin to watching paint dry. Johnny packed em in, and the slow down style following that resulted in less ticket sales depite better team success. No we will have slow + no big name recruits, that is not a good combination for selling tix.
2)Never exclusively and that is not the point. You need to have a few star players on your team at least to excel, ala fizer and tinsley. Most of the rest of that team was role players, and it was the best team we have ever had, in large part due to the fact we had what should have been the player of the year and burger boy fizer and super stud guard in jamaal.Gruber, jacobsen, stout and coleman may have started for 90% of the teams in the country, but we surely don't strive to be in the 89th percentile. That would put us in the mid 30s. Although a few of them could have started for montana, or mizzu st. or illinois southern, none would have started for tx, ku, uk, fla, unc, etc.
A national recruiting base is key. Johnny did ok, but he got most of his greats from michigan where he had extensive ties. This staff doesnt have those, or ties to chicago, so you have to go national. Wisconsin is the most boring team in america, also it is not the best program in the big ten(try mich st. or Ill) so there goes that.
3)His team lost in the second round of the MVC tourney last year, although they actually won it one. They always knocked off a LSU, ISU or Iowa, but would struggle mightely against CU, WSU, BU, etc during conference play, hense never winning a conf. title despite often having the most impressive conf. win.
4) all players come to play for a coach. That is the way it is. The flint kids would not have come to ISU if not for Orr. no floyd no fizer, and morgan had his guys. The differnce is when floyd came in noone left (completely different style of play), LE lost very few key guys, WM lost nothing, and mcd lost the farm.

 

[Wesley]

That 6 of 7 players moved on quickly (and I do not count Creaser & Jacobson in the mix as they are more role players, since is more of JP's problem as he elcted to switch from run, fun and gun to slow em up cowboy basketball. This was not McD's decision to switch, he only received the offer. Hopwever, it will be interesting to see how much he truly utilizes Rashon. We could have a Cyclone team with no featured star - just a team moving their feet and holding their hands up. Ben Jacobson could have had a higher scoring average, but the system did not let him take that many shots. personally, I hope we can routinely score at least 65 points. The better teams usually score that much. If you are stuck in the fifties, even the lesser teams you play may still be in the game. And if you give up 40 by end of first half, you may have a long road to climb. It will be interesting.

Expect strong defense from K-State (Bob Huggins edict), Kansas (pressing all over), Nebraska (because they can't score), Ok State (because they lost their athletes, Baylor (they now have athletes), A&M (because they have athletes), Texas Tech (Bob Knight loves old school D). Expect the need to run up into the 70s when playing Texas (relearning again), Missouri (trying to find how to win), Oklahoma (resolving team synchcronizational issues), Colorado (they will be bad), Iowa (because they will have a new group.)

Anyone want to guess the UNI-ISU score this year?