Monte Morris earns 3rd team All-American (USA Today, NBCSports)

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People won't like hearing this, but Monte wasn't going to be a 1st or 2nd team player when ISU went 20-10. Stats are great, but most people look at it in correlation with wins. If ISU had gone 25-5, I bet he would have been a first teamer.

Exactly.
 

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People won't like hearing this, but Monte wasn't going to be a 1st or 2nd team player when ISU went 20-10. Stats are great, but most people look at it in correlation with wins. If ISU had gone 25-5, I bet he would have been a first teamer.
And that's fine. But if you are going to be critical of team record against a big numbers player, you need to be critical of actual numbers for the guy on the good team. 16/3/3 shouldn't sniff 1st team even if you've never lost a game in your career.
 

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People won't like hearing this, but Monte wasn't going to be a 1st or 2nd team player when ISU went 20-10. Stats are great, but most people look at it in correlation with wins. If ISU had gone 25-5, I bet he would have been a first teamer.

That's still a BS way to judge a player. Make those guys play with zero post production for 3/4 of the year and see how their record shapes up.
 
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That's still a BS way to judge a player. Make those guys play with zero post production for 3/4 of the year and see how their record shapes up.
And also very few rebounds from the post players. Back in the days of Hornecek, I said to myself Hornecek is going to prove himself to be a much better player than people give him credit as he graduated and went on to the pros. I feel the same way about Monte. Monte is more of a team player than most point guards. A team that wants to win championships would be smart to draft him, because he doesn't care about personal accolades, he does everything to win. He has the tools to be a champion. He is my first team all-American. I didn't even say that about Niang.
 
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Monte was left off of the Sporting News All-American teams. Yet Fultz, on a 9 win Washington, team got on the 3rd team.
 

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Monte is such a complete player that other than the insane assist to turnover ratio, he tends to blend into the all the other numbers. He doesn't score like Mason, he doesn't play on a national championship team (Hart), or flashy like Ball, but he does everything equally. Many times the great at all things players get outshown by the players that are elite at one thing...or overcome by simple personal beliefs.
 
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Monte was left off of the Sporting News All-American teams. Yet Fultz, on a 9 win Washington, team got on the 3rd team.

Most people on here are saying Monte deserved better even if he was on a team with slightly less wins, and yet you're using the same logic against Fultz who went 23, 6, and 6 this year. Those are ridiculous numbers for anyone
 

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Most people on here are saying Monte deserved better even if he was on a team with slightly less wins, and yet you're using the same logic against Fultz who went 23, 6, and 6 this year. Those are ridiculous numbers for anyone
I think they are saying if it was indeed about winning and that is what kept Monte' out why is Fultz with his team's terrible record in there despite his ridiculous numbers?
 

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Shoot, 3rd team is still pretty impressive and not bad for him in my mind. What I'm much more slighted about is him NOT making the Cousy award final list. Talk about bull crap on that one. Shoot, just in comparing the two, you are now telling me a 3rd team all-american point guard isn't good enough to make the final 5 for the Cousy award??? Not to mention he might be the most true point guard out there in the country.
 
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