I think it has to do with the STL/KC TV markets. If Missouri goes it likely takes a large chunk of that with them which reduces the Big 12's tv market, especially in the North. Not only does that put a big dent in the next tv contract, that could drastically reduce the number of big 12 North games that are shown on national tv.
Mizzou to Big 10, negative ramifications for ISU?
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I think it has to do with the STL/KC TV markets. If Missouri goes it likely takes a large chunk of that with them which reduces the Big 12's tv market, especially in the North. Not only does that put a big dent in the next tv contract, that could drastically reduce the number of big 12 North games that are shown on national tv.
Why won't this conference pull their head out of their *** and start the Big 12 network?
I'd bet that the ramifications are:
TCU joins the Big 12
Oklahoma moves to the North division, where we have to play them every year in football and twice in basketball.
TCU joins the Big 12
Oklahoma moves to the North division, where we have to play them every year in football and twice in basketball.
One other reason why I don't think Mizzou would leave the Big 12 is this: their rivalry with Kansas might be jeopardized, and that rivalry is stronger, I think, than the one with Illinois. And getting Mizzou would not necessarily give the Big Ten KC because I would bet there are just as many KU alums in the KC area, including KC MO, as there are Mizzou alums. Lawrence is closer to both KCs than Columbia is, last time I looked.
If Missouri leaves for the Big 10, would Colorado possibly bolt for the Pac 10 as well? That would leave them with 11 teams but they could take Boise State as well, creating a 12 school conference.
The Big 12 would effectively have 10 schools then. Would we add TCU and Arkansas to fill out our 12 schools? Would Oklahoma and Okie State move to the North?
Lots of interesting points to consider seeing as how I don't want to study for finals this afternoon!
The Big 12 would effectively have 10 schools then. Would we add TCU and Arkansas to fill out our 12 schools? Would Oklahoma and Okie State move to the North?
Lots of interesting points to consider seeing as how I don't want to study for finals this afternoon!
Without Mizzou, what if the Big 12 decides they like the Pac 10/round robin model. Out of the "north" schools left, who is most expendable?
Kansas? No...basketball.
Nebraska? No...football, OU rivalry
Kansas State? Maybe...
Colorado? Push them towards the Pac 10 or MWC. Bring in TCU.
Iowa State? Latitudinally (did I just make up a word) logical?
This could force ISU out the door, leaving us a school without a conference? OUCH!!
Sorry...just watched "Conspiracy Theory" the other day.
ISU and Mizzou both fit the Big Ten's academic standards. Both schools are members of the AAU, a requirement for a Big Ten school.
Not to pick on your post, but I'd really like to put an end to all the comments saying ISU doesn't have the academic standards of other Big Ten schools. That is simply not true at all.
I don't know but I do know that just about all hope for that depends on Missouri staying. I'm not sure they have enough tv sets to make it work as it is, but without the STL/KC market I'm almost positive they don't and I don't think there is another school out there that the Big 12 could get to bring in to replace that.
That's why when people say "why would the Big 10 want Missouri" I laugh. Why would the Big 10 want a decent Academic school (I've heard their journalism schools rivals Northwesterns) who also happens to bring in a pretty large media market in an area(Midwest) that happens to coincide with the rest of the league and at the same time greatly reduce the reach and profitability of a rival conference? I can't think of a single reason
The TV contract with ABC/ESPN runs through the 2015-16 academic year and the contract with FSN expires following the 2011-12 academic year. What happens after the FSN deal expires, who knows and until the FSN contract expires, there will be no changes.
I don't think the KC market would be that effect if MU were to move Alumni buy population rank in KC is below. And if MU joined the big 10 I could see KC draw for MU alum's going down even more.
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I don't think the ISU-Iowa rivalry has suffered much from them being in different conferences.
What's to stop UM and KU from playing every year?
Any and all rivalries will be cast aside for the prospect of more money for the program. I would gladly have ISU stop playing Iowa if we were guaranteed to make a lot more money.
They might not play KU every year just to ensure 4 non-con wins, but that wont stop MU from leaving if the price is right.
The more I read people's opinions on Big 10 expansion, the more it is apparent that people have no clue that the condrence actually has rules as to who they will admit to the conference. The two rules are the school must belong to the AAU and they must be in a state already belonging to the Big 10 or directly bordering such a state.
Which means more often than not, people have no idea what they're talking about when they blindly throw in candidate schools into the mix. Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky, and West Virginia are schools that will never be considered because they don't belong to the AAU, and schools like Virginia, Texas, TCU, and Kansas will not be considered because they don't meet the geographical requirements. There are currently only 6 schools that meet both requirements - Nebraska, ISU, Missouri, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Rutgers, and only one additional school they'd be willing to toss the AAU requirements to the side for in Notre Dame. That's it. That's the candidate list. It's one of those 7 schools and no one else.
Which means more often than not, people have no idea what they're talking about when they blindly throw in candidate schools into the mix. Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky, and West Virginia are schools that will never be considered because they don't belong to the AAU, and schools like Virginia, Texas, TCU, and Kansas will not be considered because they don't meet the geographical requirements. There are currently only 6 schools that meet both requirements - Nebraska, ISU, Missouri, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Rutgers, and only one additional school they'd be willing to toss the AAU requirements to the side for in Notre Dame. That's it. That's the candidate list. It's one of those 7 schools and no one else.
Would it be possible for any of the schools to join the AAU to meet the requirements?
I think the following post by CyHipHop answers part of your question, but the issue you raise is a good one. I can only say that with Mizzou and KU in different conferences, the rivalry could lose some of its intensity. Why? because a conference title or division title would no longer be at stake.
Is this accurate? A few weeks ago I was talking to a Mizzou friend and mentioned that I heard ISU had more alumni than Mizzou in KC and he just laughed at me. Do you have a source?
Since it is an organization of research universities that is dedicated to maintaining the strength of academic research and education, they would have to be invited in by the AAU. That means that most of those schools would likely need to improve their research and education standards. Since they haven't added members since 2001 (Stony Brook (State U of New York) and Texas A&M), I doubt they go out of their way to add new schools just because the Big 10 wants a new member, especially since two schools recently left the AAU due to diminishing focus on research.
That being said, there is one more school that both meets the AAU and geographic requirements of the Big 10, and that is Maryland. However, I have never once seen them as a serious candidate for the Big 10, although it would make a lot of sense.
This thread has a whole lot of stupid in it. Some of the responses are so out of place it's beyond embarrassing.
Retards of Cyclone Fanatic unite.
Please do some research on the academics and sports history of the Universities you are commenting on before typing something that makes you look even more stupid.
Retards of Cyclone Fanatic unite.
Please do some research on the academics and sports history of the Universities you are commenting on before typing something that makes you look even more stupid.
