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Occam’s razor seems appropriate here, but the one thing that I can say with 100% confidence is that if I ever (hypothetically) find myself in a situation where I may need to, um… conjure some reasonable doubt, the Freses are going to be near the top of the list of people to call.
 

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Just so I got Bahena’s story straight -

3 years after the woman was murdered, Bahena decided to make it known Bahena is the victim, Bahena was kidnapped in our own car by two people, one of them went by “JACK,” “coincidentally” also Mollie’s boyfriends name.

And now we’re making connections between her and a sex traffic ring? We think she could’ve been a part of a sex traffic ring despite having zero evidence of sexual assault?

Or are we saying Mollie went for a run, was kidnapped, taken to the ring, murdered without any sexual assault, then they go out of the way to go see Bahena, kidnap Bahena, have him dispose of the body and bank on him not telling any authorities because they will kill his child and baby mom? In the same ******* night?

Dude deserves life in prison and I’m not even 100% convinced he murdered her but solely because his punk ass has been lying this entire case.
All it takes is the convicted guy taking the fall for a group he's part of. He may be innocent of murder but he certainly doesn't seem innocent either.
 

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True...but has anyone been charged with crimes related to their deaths?
No but local police have an idea of what happened but there's not enough hard evidence to do anything. Lyric's parents were heavy into drugs and it was related to that. Elizabeth was just collateral damage.
 
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Just so I got Bahena’s story straight -

3 years after the woman was murdered, Bahena decided to make it known Bahena is the victim, Bahena was kidnapped in our own car by two people, one of them went by “JACK,” “coincidentally” also Mollie’s boyfriends name.

And now we’re making connections between her and a sex traffic ring? We think she could’ve been a part of a sex traffic ring despite having zero evidence of sexual assault?

Or are we saying Mollie went for a run, was kidnapped, taken to the ring, murdered without any sexual assault, then they go out of the way to go see Bahena, kidnap Bahena, have him dispose of the body and bank on him not telling any authorities because they will kill his child and baby mom? In the same ******* night?

Dude deserves life in prison and I’m not even 100% convinced he murdered her but solely because his punk ass has been lying this entire case.

Agreed. Think about the options here:

1. Behena Rivera was driving around, saw her out running and thought she was attractive. Started bothering her and Mollie got freaked out, threatened or started to call the police at which point Behena Rivera panicked as a police report could easily lead him to being deported. He then acted in a way that someone would if they felt like their life was in jeopardy (which in a way, it was).

2. This massively complex story involving sex rings, masked men conducting a carjacking and threats to family to ensure silence.

I get the skepticism. In my career I’ve worked with hundreds of Mexican migrants and as a whole, they are a nose to the grindstone, hard working extremely nice bunch people and this is so far beyond out of character for someone in that group. But nothing else makes sense.

ISUCubswin is right. The man clearly did the crime and deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars in Fort Madison.
 
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Does the story that Behena Rivera gave at the end of his trial align with inmate and trafficking group? I didn't read into the inmate story because I didn't feel comfortable reading it.

Behena Rivera's story at the very end of the trial seemed like a last ditch effort to create some doubt in the case. The strategy seemed like they brought it in towards the very end so prosecution couldn't shoot holes in their story. If that was indeed the case all along, you would think they would have started with that from the beginning.
 

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Agreed. Think about the options here:

1. Behena Rivera was driving around, saw her out running and thought she was attractive. Started bothering her and Mollie got freaked out, threatened or started to call the police at which point Behena Rivera panicked as a police report could easily lead him to being deported. He then acted in a way that someone would if they felt like their life was in jeopardy (which in a way, it was).

2. This massively complex story involving sex rings, masked men conducting a carjacking and threats to family to ensure silence.

I get the skepticism. In my career I’ve worked with hundreds of Mexican migrants and as a whole, they are a nose to the grindstone, hard working extremely nice bunch people and this is so far beyond out of character for someone in that group. But nothing else makes sense.

ISUCubswin is right. The man clearly did the crime and deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars in Fort Madison.

On the flip side, what are the motives of these seemingly non-affiliated (with Rivera) people coming out and saying this stuff?
 
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On the flip side, what are the motives of these seemingly non-affiliated (with Rivera) people coming out and saying this stuff?

Making waves? Looking for reduced sentence deals for testimony? With it being a regional/national story some guys with nothing but time on their hands decided to try and cash in? I don’t know, but even with their recent revelations it still doesn’t pass the smell test.
 

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Making waves? Looking for reduced sentence deals for testimony? With it being a regional/national story some guys with nothing but time on their hands decided to try and cash in? I don’t know, but even with their recent revelations it still doesn’t pass the smell test.

Im not saying that Rivera is just an innocent here. But you have to agree there is more to this story and the complete “lack of information” or “leads” in the Xavier story is pointing to that situation being part of a larger investigation. There aren’t that many people in that area. Someone has to know something, and it makes sense that criminals would be the ones to know something.
 
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On the flip side, what are the motives of these seemingly non-affiliated (with Rivera) people coming out and saying this stuff?
Have you ever met a meth head? They aren’t exactly known for their reliability/truthfulness. Just because it seems like their aren’t a lot of leads in the Xavier case doesn’t mean there is some big underground trafficking network present. You seem to be going down the Q path.
 
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Occam’s razor seems appropriate here, but the one thing that I can say with 100% confidence is that if I ever (hypothetically) find myself in a situation where I may need to, um… conjure some reasonable doubt, the Freses are going to be near the top of the list of people to call.
But do they ever win? Seems like I only hear their names for cases they end up losing.
 

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Have you ever met a meth head? They aren’t exactly known for their reliability/truthfulness. Just because it seems like their aren’t a lot of leads in the Xavier case doesn’t mean there is some big underground trafficking network present. You seem to be going down the Q path.

Doesn’t even seem like it’s underground since there’s a woman that was drugged and prostituted for months that has come forward. Lots of things don’t add up and I’m getting a major “Making A Murderer” vibe from the prosecution.
 

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Doesn’t even seem like it’s underground since there’s a woman that was drugged and prostituted for months that has come forward. Lots of things don’t add up and I’m getting a major “Making A Murderer” vibe from the prosecution.
The prosecution disclosed this and the defense didn't do anything with it
 

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But do they ever win? Seems like I only hear their names for cases they end up losing.

No idea, but to my amateur eye they are doing an impressive job of trying to make chicken soup out of… this. Does anyone know if they’re working pro bono, or who is paying the bills for the defense?
 

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Doesn’t even seem like it’s underground since there’s a woman that was drugged and prostituted for months that has come forward. Lots of things don’t add up and I’m getting a major “Making A Murderer” vibe from the prosecution.

Lol, that account from a woman found walking walking walking along the road could be completely fabricated. Again - meth heads
 
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No idea, but to my amateur eye they are doing an impressive job of trying to make chicken soup out of… this. Does anyone know if they’re working pro bono, or who is paying the bills for the defense?
Taxpayers of the state of iowa.
 
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