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Gunner's driving motivation in life is to convince the users of this board that Iowa's a third world country. Don't take the bait. It's weird.
I've been to a few places in my day and I can absolutely say that Iowans aren't any different than anywhere else. If anything, we're a nicer, more polite breed.
 
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Don't know how long ago you lived in rural Iowa, or what a small town in rural Iowa means to you.

But local law enforcement in rural Iowa would tell you that the environment has drastically changed. The amount of drug activity in rural Iowa, even in very respectable communities, is shocking. Many of the REALLY small towns are known as "meth towns" because there's minimal law enforcement presence, just sheriff's deputies with lots of area to cover. And there are some poor quality homes that meth heads are willing to live in, that nobody else will. Older, more upstanding residents who may not have had great incomes but DID have great character, are aging out of the towns. The better of the small towns keep a push on to tear down the trash houses, which helps a lot, but that takes a lot of effort and support that isn't present anymore in many towns. Not a positive trend, sadly....
Law enforcement, in my experience, wildly exaggerates small town drug use. I don't think it's intentional either, it's just that they live in that world constantly and it skews their perception of the bigger picture. There are plenty of meth heads in Iowa. They're easy to spot, and easy to avoid.

I used to practice law in a small town for a couple of years, and there was a circle of roughly 150 people who were really deep in the meth/drug lifestyle. They mostly lived in trailer parks (some were in low income apartments, but very few in rural houses). This was in a town of about 3900 people so given that estimate it was about 3-4% of the population. Maybe that's a lot, I don't really know. I would imagine that's a pretty normal level most places - including in cities.

In the country, you either have the ratty old houses getting torn down and farmed over, or you have really nice rural acreages. There isn't much in between these days.
 
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I've been to a few places in my day and I can absolutely say that Iowans aren't any different than anywhere else. If anything, we're a nicer, more polite breed.
People are generally people. There are definite cultural differences, but the only times I've traveled places and found the locals off-putting was on a very small basis. IE, I really didn't enjoy visiting Waco and found the people there pretty crappy, but I've found Texans in general to be friendly people and almost always enjoy myself when visiting.

In cities, I rarely find people rude or self-centered in conversation. Once you get past the fighting for traffic position, parking spots, etc, they're just people.
 

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Don't know how long ago you lived in rural Iowa, or what a small town in rural Iowa means to you.

But local law enforcement in rural Iowa would tell you that the environment has drastically changed. The amount of drug activity in rural Iowa, even in very respectable communities, is shocking. Many of the REALLY small towns are known as "meth towns" because there's minimal law enforcement presence, just sheriff's deputies with lots of area to cover. And there are some poor quality homes that meth heads are willing to live in, that nobody else will. Older, more upstanding residents who may not have had great incomes but DID have great character, are aging out of the towns. The better of the small towns keep a push on to tear down the trash houses, which helps a lot, but that takes a lot of effort and support that isn't present anymore in many towns. Not a positive trend, sadly....
This happened Sunday in a small NW IA town.

 

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The stats don’t lie. Iowa is old, white, and dying. Anyone currently in the state that has the ability is moving to DSM or the CR/IC corridor. No one is coming here from other states and young people are flocking to other states.

This has been the narrative for at least 30 years now.
 
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Law enforcement, in my experience, wildly exaggerates small town drug use. I don't think it's intentional either, it's just that they live in that world constantly and it skews their perception of the bigger picture. There are plenty of meth heads in Iowa. They're easy to spot, and easy to avoid.

I used to practice law in a small town for a couple of years, and there was a circle of roughly 150 people who were really deep in the meth/drug lifestyle. They mostly lived in trailer parks (some were in low income apartments, but very few in rural houses). This was in a town of about 3900 people so given that estimate it was about 3-4% of the population. Maybe that's a lot, I don't really know. I would imagine that's a pretty normal level most places - including in cities.

In the country, you either have the ratty old houses getting torn down and farmed over, or you have really nice rural acreages. There isn't much in between these days.
I agree - I have done some projects in rural areas. People would talk about some of the small towns as meth-filled third world countries. Construction crews talking about meth addicts trying to break into job sites, and how there's no way they would stay in these towns. Yet the crime stats simply don't support this whatsoever. Not even close.

There are a lot of crap hole Iowa rural towns that are dying. I would never live in probably any rural Iowa small town, and the ones I grew up around have mostly gone downhill while some have held up OK. This in NW/NC (depending on who you ask) Iowa. And even though some of the towns have gone downhill, there's not some rampant meth problem. Obviously those people are there, but I've never once had that "oh yeah, that person is high" experience out in public.

I would say that the worst areas by a significant margin are in the towns and cities that have been heavily manufacturing-dependent. And yes, the small towns and rural areas on the southern tier of counties is pretty rough, and I found them depressing as hell.

I've done plenty of bagging on rural Iowa and small towns. But so far, the crime statistics just don't bear out this idea that they are meth-laden crime hotspots. Now, I think the demographic and economic trends suggest things could keep moving that direction, but they aren't there. In fact they aren't close compared to national averages and despite this are still some of the lowest violent crime rate areas in the country. Maybe that's more of an indictment of our country than praise for rural Iowa, but that's just what the stats say.
 
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For some reason I'd never thought of this till this morning but why is a city in Iowa named after a 14th century Aztec ruler? Mr. Google says "Montezuma was first established in 1848, when local veterans of the Mexican-American War named the city after Monteuczomah, the last Aztec emperor of Mexico."
 

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Growing up in Rural Iowa, And spending much of my life in Rural Iowa. I can say the top one is what most of the state looks like, with the added hog confinement every mile or so.

The second picture is not an accurate representation of rural Iowa. While there are some houses etc that look something like that, it is not an accurate representation of rural Iowa, and would probably be more accurate of some of the poorer neighborhoods of the larger towns and cities in Iowa and especially of other states, than rural Iowa. This type of house is more like 1 in 1000 in rural Iowa, if that. Venture out and drive around rural areas and towns you wont see that many run down shacks, especially compared to other states and areas.

There might be old homes, and there might be some that need some upkeep or updating, but not many of this level. Meth is bad, but from what I have seen most of the methed out people aren't living in a house, here, they are living in rent controlled and subsidized apartments, otherwise property and rent is too expensive everywhere. Land is breaking records, so any old house is getting torn down because the land is worth more than the house. In towns rent on a house is higher than the rent controlled apts. so those spending every dime on meth are living in the local low income apts. While regular rent in houses and apts is skyrocketing even in rural areas.
I kinda thought number 2 looked like the entire town of What Cheer.
 
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I agree - I have done some projects in rural areas. People would talk about some of the small towns as meth-filled third world countries. Construction crews talking about meth addicts trying to break into job sites, and how there's no way they would stay in these towns. Yet the crime stats simply don't support this whatsoever. Not even close.

There are a lot of crap hole Iowa rural towns that are dying. I would never live in probably any rural Iowa small town, and the ones I grew up around have mostly gone downhill while some have held up OK. This in NW/NC (depending on who you ask) Iowa. And even though some of the towns have gone downhill, there's not some rampant meth problem. Obviously those people are there, but I've never once had that "oh yeah, that person is high" experience out in public.

I would say that the worst areas by a significant margin are in the towns and cities that have been heavily manufacturing-dependent. And yes, the small towns and rural areas on the southern tier of counties is pretty rough, and I found them depressing as hell.

I've done plenty of bagging on rural Iowa and small towns. But so far, the crime statistics just don't bear out this idea that they are meth-laden crime hotspots. Now, I think the demographic and economic trends suggest things could keep moving that direction, but they aren't there. In fact they aren't close compared to national averages and despite this are still some of the lowest violent crime rate areas in the country. Maybe that's more of an indictment of our country than praise for rural Iowa, but that's just what the stats say.
The small towns in northern Iowa have generally done fine. There's been slow steady loss of services and population, but it's kind of leveled out, and they aren't suffering the same blight of other places. A lot of the county seat towns have actually gained a little population throughout northern Iowa, albeit usually at the expense of the smaller communities or rural areas.

The very small town I'm from (NC/NE IA depending on who you ask) has had a lot of the local people with roots there buy up some of the run down properties and either fix them up or get rid of them before they became blighted. The town is smaller and has fewer services than when I was a kid, but it's general maintenance is arguably higher. I grew up in the 90's and you had a 5-6 really crappy houses with meth heads in them in town. Those houses are all gone now, and the meth heads gone with them.

These towns are dying, but it's a slow death (as in people posting in here won't live to see it) and it doesn't bear the hallmarks of the decline seen in a lot of other parts of the country. The small towns south of Des Moines are pretty rough. They just don't have the rural ag economy seen in the northern part of the state.
 
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The small towns in northern Iowa have generally done fine. There's been slow steady loss of services and population, but it's kind of leveled out, and they aren't suffering the same blight of other places. A lot of the county seat towns have actually gained a little population throughout northern Iowa, albeit usually at the expense of the smaller communities or rural areas.

The very small town I'm from (NC/NE IA depending on who you ask) has had a lot of the local people with roots there buy up some of the run down properties and either fix them up or get rid of them before they became blighted. The town is smaller and has fewer services than when I was a kid, but it's general maintenance is arguably higher. I grew up in the 90's and you had a 5-6 really crappy houses with meth heads in them in town. Those houses are all gone now, and the meth heads gone with them.

These towns are dying, but it's a slow death (as in people posting in here won't live to see it) and it doesn't bear the hallmarks of the decline seen in a lot of other parts of the country. The small towns south of Des Moines are pretty rough. They just don't have the rural ag economy seen in the northern part of the state.

Probably a dumb question...but are there any towns in Iowa that "vanished" (lack of a better term relatively recently (decades)? What becomes of those towns? Fascinating.
 

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The stats don’t lie. Iowa is old, white, and dying. Anyone currently in the state that has the ability is moving to DSM or the CR/IC corridor. No one is coming here from other states and young people are flocking to other states.
According to the state business tax climate index - Iowa ranks #38 out of 50 for being business tax friendly. Being expensive from a business standpoint tax wise plus a 5 month winter is not a winning formula.
 
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