Minor problem I hope the staff fixes with Barnett

[Rhoadhoused]

JB does have a deep drop, but you have to look at it as this; hes already 5 yards deep in the shotgun, no drop he takes will be a true 5 step or 3 step. 5 step is 3 step (drop back pass) and 3 step (quick game routes) is one drop step and throw. And, yes he is gaining too much ground on his last step of his drop in drop back settings, but has been great at avoiding the rush and sliding his feet to get up and out of the pocket.

Boom goes the dynamite. /thread

Great insight.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I honestly don't care if he throws from his knees with his elbows, if he produces wins

I would prefer for him to throw it before being marked down

 

[wartknight]

a 5-step drop, means take 5 steps back.
a 3-step drop, means take 3 steps back.

these are designed plays. it is not like he drops back until he feels like he should stop. getting the DE up field, allows for JB to step up in the pocket OR if the DE come from the inside, he rolls out.

no problems with his drop backs.

That is true if you are playing football under center. Not in ISU's spread from shotgun.
5 step = 3
3 step = 1

Watching some more today, he gets his drops so quick back there and was able to break contain most of the time, but from an O-lineman's perspective, especially a tackle, it is very difficult to protect against a speed rush when the angle is that flat to the QB

edit- Coach Arnaud beat me to it.

 

[copenhagen]

He seems strangely cool and nonchalant, not a care in the world out there. As far as 'fixes' i would like him to throw the ball within 3 yards of receivers more.

 

[boone7247]

I wonder if the deep drop has to do with his height and throwing angles. He is listed at 6' which, may or may not be true. A little more separation from the line might give him better sightlines. Also, because it appears he is quick to get up to speed if this gives him and advantage over DEs that come to far up the field to come after him.

His drop should vary from snap to snap, depending on length of throw, and what his progression is. Also if they can get him to move his spot, whether it be 1, 3 or 5 (I would think a 5 step would be rare in our offense) steps from the shotgun snap, it can help the line as the defense will have to guess where he is versus knowing where he is going to be all the time.

 

[FootballinTexas]

Until he starts taking a bunch of sacks because of "the angle of the DL" or the inability of the OL to block the speed-rusher, I don't want to see any changes in his footwork. Can the deep ball be better, YES. But, the outside routes have been horrible, too. A receiver should never run a "fade" route into the sideline. Money does it every time. Go back and look at all of his fades. He's at the sideline on his release. By doing that, he takes away the QB's placement window. The "fade" is called the "fade" because the QB has room to drop the ball between the numbers and sideline, thus "fade" the receiver to the ball. If the receiver runs his route below the numbers, that becomes a very tough throw for any QB because now he has to take into consideration the "out of bounds" as being another defender. Also, you have to remember that Barnett is a rhythm thrower. The ball gets out on-time. Lazy route runners don't get passes from a rhythm thrower. That's why Lenz has been his best target. He runs GREAT routes. Watch Lenz on the corner fade and watch Money on the stop and go. Lenz actually sells the post and is explosive out of his break to the corner. Ball on the money! Money doesn't even sell the stop and he doesn't explode on the go...ball "overthrown". If he holds that ball until Money gets open, its probably a sack or he has to run it. One more thing, the OL looks a lot better because they know they don't have to hold five second blocks for JB. Three hard seconds and the ball is gone or he is running. That takes a ton of pressure off of the OL and it allows them to play at their pace.

I'm not saying he's perfect or some things don't need to be fixed. There's always room for growth. But, the stuff in this thread about his drop is totally irrelevant. I would bet its not a problem for Barnett, Herman, or Rhoads. BTW, I heard on the call-in show that Money is dropping passes that hit him in hands because his hands are not soft. He needs it put into the body. Can we fix that because the ball he dropped in the goal line looks like it hit right between the crease on the 7.

 

[Ficklone02]

Until he starts taking a bunch of sacks because of "the angle of the DL" or the inability of the OL to block the speed-rusher, I don't want to see any changes in his footwork. Can the deep ball be better, YES. But, the outside routes have been horrible, too. A receiver should never run a "fade" route into the sideline. Money does it every time. Go back and look at all of his fades. He's at the sideline on his release. By doing that, he takes away the QB's placement window. The "fade" is called the "fade" because the QB has room to drop the ball between the numbers and sideline, thus "fade" the receiver to the ball. If the receiver runs his route below the numbers, that becomes a very tough throw for any QB because now he has to take into consideration the "out of bounds" as being another defender. Also, you have to remember that Barnett is a rhythm thrower. The ball gets out on-time. Lazy route runners don't get passes from a rhythm thrower. That's why Lenz has been his best target. He runs GREAT routes. Watch Lenz on the corner fade and watch Money on the stop and go. Lenz actually sells the post and is explosive out of his break to the corner. Ball on the money! Money doesn't even sell the stop and he doesn't explode on the go...ball "overthrown". If he holds that ball until Money gets open, its probably a sack or he has to run it. One more thing, the OL looks a lot better because they know they don't have to hold five second blocks for JB. Three hard seconds and the ball is gone or he is running. That takes a ton of pressure off of the OL and it allows them to play at their pace.

I'm not saying he's perfect or some things don't need to be fixed. There's always room for growth. But, the stuff in this thread about his drop is totally irrelevant. I would bet its not a problem for Barnett, Herman, or Rhoads. BTW, I heard on the call-in show that Money is dropping passes that hit him in hands because his hands are not soft. He needs it put into the body. Can we fix that because the ball he dropped in the goal line looks like it hit right between the crease on the 7.

I agree Reynolds was really really dissappointing in his lazy route running and his inability to catch a ball placed in there perfectly. He cost JB two completions with bad hands, and then another td on his lazy stop and go pattern. Thats just off the top of my head without going back to watch the replay. If he wants to be called money, he needs to live up to the name.