Yeah I don't know all the details of the story and I'm definitely not defending the guy. I just want more clear details before I make a judgment on something like this. Certainly the things that are rumored to happen don't sound good. If he was posting weights publicly as a means for shaming/motivation, that's an a-hole move.
Matt Fannon (Iowa state womens soccer coach) accused of body shaming/ verbal abuse
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Yeah I don't know all the details of the story and I'm definitely not defending the guy. I just want more clear details before I make a judgment on something like this. Certainly the things that are rumored to happen don't sound good. If he was posting weights publicly as a means for shaming/motivation, that's an a-hole move.
But wouldn’t a focus on fat %, muscle mass, etc. be more useful than strict weight?
But regardless, according to the article the expert opinion is that you don’t do public daily weigh-ins. What was he apparently doing? Public weigh-ins before and after every practice
Are you seriously comparing people that can't even leave their rooms anymore to 175lb girls soccer players who would run circles around you?
Those people have literally eaten themselves into a corner as they are too big to fit through the door frame of their rooms now.
Nice comparison to elite division 1 athletes.
Definitely touchy. We talk about football players and use terms like “healthy playing weight” with little issue. That has a completely different meaning in the sphere of women’s sports and women’s body image in general. I get it.
There are also just a lot of people who make comments in bad faith online about anything women’s sports related. Those people suck.
And that's why the context matters. Telling a young woman that they'll need to lose weight to be competitive in a personal conversation is absolutely acceptable IMO. Saying it in a group situation or as a motivator on the field is not. Perhaps it's a matter of verbage in that you need to tell them they need to get faster or improve endurance. While the underlying issue may be weight, focusing on the actual athletic trait your looking for would be the better way to approach it.
I was underweight most of my college baseball playing days, and I was still one of the best hitters on the team.
Someone can be bigger and still be fit, or skinny and extremely unhealthy.
Public or private, telling them to get breast reduction surgery is way out of line
I can't wait to hear your scathing critique of pretty much every football program on earth.
It's okay to be honest with people and tell them what they need to do to perform better when they are part of the program. If you can't take that, then D1 sports aren't for you.
In every case, no, but there's a huge correlation and I haven't figured out the motivation behind denying that.
Anyway, it's not relevant to the point because he's not determining whether they're healthy or not. He's determining if they are as good as they can be or not.
It appears he was on his way out after a winless Big 12 season anyway, this should just solidify it. I hate that this is a reflection of our Athletic Department.
As a society, its much more acceptable for women to bring up these kinds of concerns. We basically don't care what you say to men, to the point that even most guys wouldn't even see or admit it as an issue. A few weeks ago, social media was flooded with the rotund U of Florida football player who was "built like a lunch lady". There was no backlash, no accusations of body shaming it was just looked at as good clean fun. As a culture, men just aren't supposed to care about those things or at least not talk about them. Yet, there are gyms full of dudes all over the country right now who are obsessed with changing their bodies because of insecurities they've felt in the past.
I get why people are making the comparisons to mens sports but it's not really the same thing. It's more about it not being acceptable for men to bring up these concerns and our different expectations of a man/woman's appearance than women being weak or soft.
don't we kind of need a barometer first to know if that's a high number relatively speaking or if that's normal?
my guess is that most universities have information they use to determine appropriate weight for height, etc. certainly not defending a situation I don't fully know but college coaches, especially those of scholarship athletes probably have more bandwidth on nutrition and player shape than what people may like.
if anyone is mocking people...that's a hard no for me
The program has not gotten any better since he has been here. I get the roster turnover after the former coach was fired, that is normal. However, the program has regressed and shows no signs of getting better. It typically takes 2 conference wins to get to the conference tournament and we can't even manage that on a yearly basis.
2020
Overall 3-6-4
Conference 2-6-1 (no conference tourney due to COVID)
2021
Overall 5-11-1
Conference 2-6 (made conference tourney as the # 8 seed)
2022
Overall 3-9-4 (fewest overall wins of any team in the conference)
Conference 0-6-2 (no conference tourney)
K-State which has only offered soccer as a D-1 sport since 2016 is better than us, and we've had soccer since 1996.
2020
Overall 3-6-4
Conference 2-6-1 (no conference tourney due to COVID)
2021
Overall 5-11-1
Conference 2-6 (made conference tourney as the # 8 seed)
2022
Overall 3-9-4 (fewest overall wins of any team in the conference)
Conference 0-6-2 (no conference tourney)
K-State which has only offered soccer as a D-1 sport since 2016 is better than us, and we've had soccer since 1996.
I get what you're saying, but this is the tricky part about sports. What happens when your body changes that prevents you from competing? Should your coach tell you so? I'm not advocating that a coach should push for surgery, but is it his job to tell the athlete that their size will prevent them from competing and ultimately make the team? Then let the athlete decide if the sport is worth having surgery. Or, is it better for the coach to not say anything and cut the athlete from the team because they can't perform at D1 standards?
Given that it's not a revenue producing sport, that record, and these allegations this is kind of a no brainer. Even if you think what he's doing isn't crossing the line, it also doesn't appear to be effective so either way he should be let go.
Allegedly, he said this to a Bowling Green player when he was there.
The guy is a male coaching women’s soccer. High probability of being a dooshbag just from those two factors.
