NBA: Magic vs Lakers Post Game
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The Griz made a poor pick so it reflects on the value of the pick they received? So, by that logic, the Portland Trailblazer's 1984 first round pick was worthless because they chose Sam Bowie. Never mind the fact they could have picked Michael Jordan. Hindsight is not valid when looking back on the value of draft picks. If the team doesn't do well with them, that's their fault and has no reflection on the value of the asset. The two first rounders they received were very valuable return for a player that was going to walk away for zero compensation.
As far as picking up salary, they had to to even out the trade salary-wise. The league has a nasty tendancy of vetoing trades that are lopsided salary-wise. The Griz knew those players would be gone by the next year, thereby opening up cap space to make moves.
Laker haters are just like Hawk homers. Logic and sound reasoning will get you nowhere with them.
Griz record 2006-2007 with Gasol ..... 22-60
Griz record 2007-2008 with 1st half Gasol ..... 22-60
Griz record 2008-2009 without the good Gasol ..... 24-58
Several things jump out to me:
The Griz not only made a bad draft pick, they also have made a history of bad trades and roster moves including the Gasol trade.
They had 4 options with Gasol - shop him smarter and get something in return that actually improved the team, let him walk and use the money for a free agent signing, get worked in a trade with the Lakers, make him an offer that he couldn't refuse. They took the 3rd best of the 4 options.
Looking at the record trend, maybe the Griz can get to .500 in about 15 years.
Hindsight is 20/20. When Gasol was on the Grizzlies did you think he was a top 25 player in the league? Probably not. The trade didn't seem as crazy at the time
Holy **** yes!?!/
Do you watch any NBA but the Lake-Lake-show?
Gasol has been a force since he's been drafted, pretty much locked in for 19 & 8 since day one.
He made the freaking all-star team with the Grizz and was quite obviously their only player (and the only one anyone could name).
Do you Laker homers think he just magically became a player once he put on the uni? He's putting up pretty much identical stats in lalaland is he was in Memphis.
Calm down Jer. I wasn't asking you the question but rather Steve. It's not crazy to say that there are a lot of people out there that did not see Gasol as a top 25 player. Was he? Yes.
But trading away 2 first round picks, Brown, Gasol, and Critteron for him isn't the worst trade I had ever seen.
So your stats show that the Griz did better after trading Gasol than they did with him? How does that translate in to not getting equal value? Oh, I guess they should have traded him for enough assets to imrpove twenty games in a year. Because those kind of trades happen all the time. Stupid Grizzlies ......
As for the rest, let's see:
1. Do you really think somebody was going to offer more than two first round picks for Gasol? The Griz were entering rebuild (or try to build) mode so trading for one player that would step on the court right now made no sense as they had no supporting cast (if that was the case they should have tried harder to keep Gasol). No, they were looking for draft picks and got TWO first rounders. That's huge if you use them right (again how they use them has no reflection on the pick's value). The other option is to try for young, unproven talent (really, isn't that equivalent to draft picks anyway?). If that happened they better hope and pray that talent pans out, otherwise the internet would be full of second guessers saying the "enter team here" bent them over.
2. By trading him for equal salary that walked the next year they, in fact, freed up salary. How about that, picks plus freeing up salary in one trade!
3. In no way do I think they got worked. The Lakers definitely got the best player in the trade, but do you think they were going to trade Kobe to get Gasol? Or perhaps the Heat would have traded Dwayne Wade for him? Maybe Nash from Phoenix? Get real, he was a soon to be free agent. You don't trade away better players for a soon to be free agent.
4. They could have tried to make an offer, but they would have been in the same place they had been for years. They needed to start over and that's what they did.
I know you aren't really directing this at me (I hope), but I definitely don't hate the Lakers, but don't like the newest incarnation of them. Again, as I said before, you have to give Kobe his props, he has been great, even before this year.
Feel free to call the record "improvement" after Gasol - I don't. The split on Gasol's last season with the Griz might make it easier for some to understand. With him - W13, L32. Without him, W8, L28. The slight (2 game) record improvement in 08-09 is much more linked to the addition of Mayo than any talent received from the Lakers.
My main problem with the trade is that in any sport, it's usually a mistake to trade a premium quality talent and try to make up the difference with quantity. Draft picks are a crap shoot and are to risky to settle for giving up a proven star. What you need to insist on is to obtain a player who might be younger, but who has proven that he can compete in the league. Best example is the T-wolves with the KG deal. The draft picks and roster fillers that were included more than likely won't make a difference for the T-wolves future. What they did get, however, was a young emerging star in Al Jefferson that they can build around. I don't see anyone like that in the Griz-Lakers deal.
The Red Sox are another example of doing it right by getting Bey in the Manny deal. The Twins trade of Johan is another example of how not to do it. They traded a premium talent, but settled for quantity (5 players) without getting anyone who could be projected as a consensus front line player.
Dallas Cowboys...trade Herschel to the Vikes for quantity of draft picks. The result...the Cowboys rebuild their team with that quantity and rule the 1990's...
Pardon me if I'm not overly concerned about your little jab, since your concept of logic and reason appears to consist of nothing more than smart-alec retorts...
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...al-i-hate-pau-gasol-thread-7.html#post1096435
...among numerous other examples you've posted since you went into meltdown mode back in April over the departure of Cael Sanderson...
