Ya i don't get it. Probably the same people would run up and correct the ref that HE actually tipped the ball out of bounce.
"Hey umm ref...umm excuse me...I umm..tipped that ball out"
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Ya i don't get it. Probably the same people would run up and correct the ref that HE actually tipped the ball out of bounce.
"Hey umm ref...umm excuse me...I umm..tipped that ball out"
No crow to eat when a reporter has said a racial slur was used. But again, troll on.
We don't know that Smart lied. All we know is that the audio didn't pick up anything and Orr said he didn't use a racial slur and Smart said he heard one. That's it. So it comes down to two people.
Do you really think Orr would ever admit to using a slur? Of course not. Why are we giving Orr the benefit of the doubt and not Smart? In an earlier post I noted why I think Orr used a slur.
Ive been around guys like Orr - they'll never admit to anything unless they're caught red-handed. It wasn't captured in the audio, so we just don't know.
You don't HAVE to believe either of them. We ain't on a jury.
What gets me is that you are totally willing to believe that Orr. used a slur even though it doesn't show up on the tape. Piece of crap. is there clear as day, and you see Smart react about a second after that was said. You seem to put a lot of faith in the fact that Orr is just like other people you know. I guess you don't know anyone who would make false charges to save his assets.
It doesn't matter what Orr said. No one is trying to arrest Marcus Smart so there is no need to establish some type of reasoning for why he did what he did. In the eyes of the Big 12 and Oklahoma State, under NO circumstance is it OK for a student athlete to physically assault a fan during a game. Period, end of conversation. No one is asking you to be OK with what Orr said, we can all agree that the guy acted like a fool himself. Smart made a bad decision and has been punished for it. Period. There is no point to continue to beat a dead horse over it.
The player said he did because Smart told him he did. As his teammate, he is assuming that Smart was telling the truth. There was no other Okie State player within earshot of the activity when it occurred.
No not really. There were multiple people interviewed by TT - fans in the area, arena security within earshot, ushers, etc, and NOT ONE OTHER PERSON with first hand knowledge besides Smart has claimed anything racial was said.
We have Orr denying it, we have a black women who was sitting directly behind Orr saying it did not happen AND we have a recording of the incident where you can hear "You Piece of Crap" then "hey, hey, hey" as he was approached and pushed and Smart was walking away.
Now maybe there is a grand white power trip under foot but I am going to go with Orr did not say anything racist and "Smart" is indeed a piece of crap.
It wasn't long after Smart's apology broadcast on ESPN that an ESPN reporter said he heard from a T-Tech source that a racial slur was used, so quit saying nobody said it wasn't besides Smart. I'm also assuming the people around Orr are his friends or at the least want to get along with him, so they may or may not accuse him of saying a racial slur even if he had said one. And if you can hear exactly what was said from the audio you have better hearing than I do. From Smart's reaction, at least two things were said. One when he was on his back, heard Orr and immediately got up and charged him, then when Orr said something else and Smart pushed him. But go ahead and defend a guy known by other coaches as somebody who will bait 19-20 year old young men during the pressure of a basketball game, caught on video giving the FU gesture to an A and M player, and called a player a piece of crap if not worse. These are just the things we know about. It's also possible Smart thought he heard something racist in the heat of the confrontation. But you've made up your mind that Smart is the bad guy and a piece of crap, so you and Mr. Orr would probably get along great.
That source was saying that was Smart's claim in the immediate aftermath. That's what he was loudly telling his teammates and coaches as he was coming off the court.
Otherwise, you can surely produce a link, right?
I'm very computer illiterate and have no idea how to provide links. I hope somebody can get the link of the live ESPN broadcast at 5 pm yesterday of Smart's apology, and it was within a half hour after that that an ESPN reporter said he heard from a source that a racial slur was used, but he wouldn't give the name of the source. He also added nobody really knows what or wasn't said. The ESPN reporter was not on the set but over the audio.
So it wasn't a Texas Tech source? Come on... this is some backpedaling.
I'm pretty sure he said it was a t-tech source, but he said a lot of things and it's good to be able to hear it again to get it exactly right, and I hope somebody can provide the link. At around the same time it was also reported that ESPN had talked to other coaches and one coach said he tells his players to keep as far away from Orr as possible, or something very close to that, and hopefully somebody can provide that link also.
I honestly didn't hear any of that. I was at a church thing at the time of the presser, but I when I got out I heard that the suspension was 3 games and that Orr had called him a POC. Still, ESPN "reporting" isn't the end all, be all.
Not saying it is, but I can assure you ESPN did say they heard from a source that a racial slur had been used, but the reporter added he didn't know if it had been or not, and from a coach that he tells his players to stay as far away from Orr as possible. Orr is apparently known by other coaches, I'm assuming mostly Big 12 coaches. And we may never know whether Orr used a racial slur or not, but as a church going guy I'm sure you're repulsed by his FU gesture to the A and M player and calling any player a piece of crap because he's trying to win a basketball game, whether any racial slur was used or not.
So you've gone from an ESPN reporter heard it, to the reporter heard it from a TxTech source, to the reporter heard it from SOME source but he doesn't know one way or another? Do you understand this makes you look foolish?
I was going to respond, but Bob has done a great job of it for me (Thanks Bob). I have not heard anyone with anything resembling a solid source (except Smart) saying anything racial was said. I do have TTU saying after their investigation multiple people interviewed said Orr did not use a racial slur. To wit "Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur."
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Keep coddling this thug and when he shoots someone out of anger you can blame that on the victim as well. Yes, I think any athlete who goes into a crowd and shoves a bystander is a thug AND a piece of crap. The only thing Smart did was prove Orr right.
