Jeff Orr...Super fan?
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This is the problem with race baiting. Now Orr must prove a negative? Good lord. Video/audio is exactly as Orr stated. Interviews by TTU turned up no one who heard such a racial slur. Teammate Forte didn't even give a glance of shock by such a racial slur...and you're not convinced. Thank God you're not a judge or on a jury!
so, has everyone who called all of us that didnt blindly blame Orr racist sympathizers eaten crow yet? looking at you ISUfan22
Doubt it, he is probably polishing his bald head and touching himself in front of a mirror.
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I figured on a response like this and hesitated to post. To follow on your judge/jury analogy if this were a trial against Smart for slandering Orr by calling him a racist that video should not be enough to convict Smart (for the reason I already stated). Similarly if this was a trial against Orr for using racial hate speech the video would obviously do nothing to prove he did and could be used as defense evidence but I wouldn't find it very convincing or conclusive (again for the reason I stated). My point was simply that the video doesn't "prove" anything to me (that Smart lied or that Orr used a racial epithet). And I agree with you that it shouldn't be assumed Orr is a racist unless some conclusive evidence shows otherwise. As an aside, it is pretty obvious Orr knew that video was being released when he wrote his statement so the fact that they match should be of no great surprise.
Smart isn't part Italian is he? I would hate for him to think the students were yelling Wop at him instead of Flop...
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It's very nice of you to act like a lawyer, but none of this matters. The only thing in the world in court that will excuse physical violence is proof of self defense. In this case, it wasn't self defense, and there's no proof of a racial slur. Whether you like it or not, the country still protect speech that isn't a threat. While it's wrong to insult someone, calling them a name doesn't equate to self defense. There's a reason the KKK can publicly hold rallies and have no crimes against them. They are very careful to not make threats and not participate in physical violence.
In the end, there's a piece of evidence that someone said "piece of crap" and there's nothing else. Furthermore, if you actually watch the video, you can see Smart turn around less than a second after you hear "You piece of crap!" It doesn't *prove* anything, but it's evidence that goes against Smart's word.
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The use of racism as an excuse for behavior (or to change someone elses behavior) has become pervasive by our politicians and society. The use of lies as a way to accomplish an end goal has become pervasive by our politicians and society. I guess it shouldn't suprise us that an athlete would attempt to do the same thing he has seen work by our "leaders". This is the real crime....
Also fails to admit the corroborative evidence of witnesses that never heard the slur including his teammate. Plus assumes Orr made his statement in conjunction with the video evidence and not Orr made his statement and TTU then substantiated it. It's clear Smart lied, but some people actually think TTU doctored the tape.
Whoa....did I miss something? Is there video that ALL he said was that he was a piece of crap?
I mean some lip reading he may have said tht......but is there something showing what he said BEFORE that?
If not ....I'm not sure what the Marcus smart bashers are celebrating.
I mean some lip reading he may have said tht......but is there something showing what he said BEFORE that?
If not ....I'm not sure what the Marcus smart bashers are celebrating.
Actually, those of us, myself included, were quick not to judge Smart because of the possibility of a racial slur and never charged Orr with being a racist.
That being said, it is also entirely possible that Smart misconstrued the "piece of crap....." being yelled at him by Orr as being racially derogatory.
So, the other "half of this board" might wait until the all the facts come out before they crucify Smart of "race baiting" or "lying to protect his ***"
Exactly. There is absolutely no evidence right now that the guy said anything racist to him. And in the end, it doesn't matter - there's nothing in the world that Orr could have said to justify the violence. Even something like "I'm going to kick your ***" wouldn't hold up in court as something of self defense.
I'm not defending Orr, but anybody who thinks this is a giant conspiracy and the tape was doctored needs to put down the pipe.
Kinda telling there was no mention of this "racial slur" at the OSU presser this afternoon, isn't it? Seems odd Smart doesn't claim it anymore, doesn't it?
Uhhhh....I'm sorry is this the video Marcus smart bashers are using to prove something? Please tell me it's not.
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To "act" like a lawyer again for you, if this was a trial against Smart for battery that video would not prove battery (other video angles certainly do though) and the video certainly would be no basis for a self defense claim as you correctly state. As I have said in both previous posts this video does nothing to prove Orr used a racial epithet. My only point from the beginning was that the video is far from conclusive about what all was said. If you believe the only thing Orr said was "you piece of crap" before he said "I'm sorry" which you can read his lips from the game telecast angle (but don't hear on the GoPro video) that is fine, but its plausible that more was said (what it might have been is unknown and shouldn't be assumed to be racial).
That's funny. A college basketball player flipping off an arena full of fans when ALL of them are watching you and your actions are live on national tv is abject stupidity as well. We aren't talking about 14 year olds here. These are elite athletes who perform under this microscope on a regular basis. Having someone screaming obscenities at you on the road is the NORM.
I assume you have the video handy that corroborates Smart's allegation? All we know for a fact is that Marcus Smart went into the crowd and physically assaulted a fan.
